Fix Ultrasonic Processor Problem - 20 kHz, 500W Power

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around issues related to an ultrasonic processor operating at 20 kHz and 500W power. Participants explore problems with overheating, operational limits at various power settings, and the effectiveness of cooling methods. The conversation includes technical troubleshooting and user experiences with different ultrasonic processors.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant reports that the ultrasonic processor does not function at full power (100%) and only operates for a minute at 90%, suggesting overheating as a potential issue.
  • Another participant proposes that the driver circuit is overheating and recommends cooling the output transistors or heat sinking them.
  • A different participant questions whether the installation follows the manufacturer's guidelines and suggests contacting the manufacturer for assistance.
  • Concerns are raised about the piezoelements inside the converter being damaged, with one participant noting a hole in one of them and suggesting the need for cooling with dry cold air.
  • There is a suggestion that the sonic head may not be appropriately matched to the output power of the driver, indicating possible design flaws.
  • One participant shares their positive experience with a different ultrasonic processor, highlighting its reliability and lack of overheating issues, while also inquiring about the original poster's application of the processor.
  • Another participant discusses the erosion of the sonotrode's surface and links it to higher amplitudes and cavitation, suggesting that the original unit may have had lower amplitude settings.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints regarding the causes of the overheating issue and the effectiveness of different cooling methods. There is no consensus on the exact reason for the malfunction, and multiple competing explanations are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the sealed nature of the converter as a limitation for cooling solutions. There are also references to different brands and models of ultrasonic processors, indicating variability in performance and user experience.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to users of ultrasonic processors, particularly those facing similar operational challenges, as well as researchers working with nanoparticle applications and ultrasonic technology.

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I am dealing with the ultrasonic processor with the frequency 20 kHz. It's output power can be varied from 20% to 100% (500W). The problem is that it doesn't work at 100%. Even at 90% it works only for 1 min. At the power lower than 70% it operates longer time.

Could you help me to find out the reason.
 
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It's overheating the driver circuit. Cool down the output transistors or heat sink them properly.
 
knopik said:
I am dealing with the ultrasonic processor with the frequency 20 kHz. It's output power can be varied from 20% to 100% (500W). The problem is that it doesn't work at 100%. Even at 90% it works only for 1 min. At the power lower than 70% it operates longer time.

Could you help me to find out the reason.

Have you asked the manufacturer? Is the installation per the manufacturer's guidelines?
 
chemisttree said:
It's overheating the driver circuit. Cool down the output transistors or heat sink them properly.

you are right - the problem is in overheating. The piezoelements inside the converter have been broken - the hole in one of it. The converter schould be cooled down with dry cold air, but it is sealed.
 
berkeman said:
Have you asked the manufacturer? Is the installation per the manufacturer's guidelines?

There is no specific installation that is required to this us device. I am in touch with the technician from the company where this device has been bought. He suggested me to cool down the converter with dry cold air when using the device continuously at the maximal output power longer than even 10 min. The problem is that the converter is sealed. How to solve it?
 
Is the sonic head matched to the output power of the driver? Sounds a bit oversized to me or the design of the equipment is lacking. The equipment is probably sealed for a reason but if you feel brave, by all means... Dremel On!
 
Have you tested the http://www.hielscher.com/ultrasonics/products.htm" for quite some time. No trouble, no overheat. Comes at a price though :rolleyes:. However reading your problems I'm lucky I spent the extra bucks
What are you using your processor for? Welding?

Regards,

Alan
 
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Hi, Alan.
Thank you very much for your reply. Last year we bought Hielscher UIP1000 (the same as you did). You are completely right - there is no trouble with processor except the quick erosion of the sonotrode's surface. But it is almost nothing with the overheating of a small one (Sonic's&Materials, 500W). Now there are two processors in our lab. Actually we changed convertor and sonotrode of the small device + switch on the 'air cooling' and it more less works at each amplitude (from 20% to 100%).
Both processors are involved in research: examination effect of the ultrasound on the morphology and catalytic properties of nanoparticles as well as formation of bimetallic either core-shell or alloy nanoparticles. And you?
Darya


AlanDonell said:
Have you tested the http://www.hielscher.com/ultrasonics/products.htm" for quite some time. No trouble, no overheat. Comes at a price though :rolleyes:. However reading your problems I'm lucky I spent the extra bucks
What are you using your processor for? Welding?

Regards,

Alan
 
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The faster erosion is most likely due to higher amplitudes. Erosion results from cavitation and cavitation is a clear sign of ultrasonic action. If the erosion is faster than on the other equipment, this could mean that the amplitude of your first unit was lower. Did you get the power metering device from Hielscher? I suggest you use that with your other unit for comparison.
I use my system for nanoparticle dispersion to make clear coatings with enhanced scratch and UV resistance. I've been working with other brand sonicators before. At that time I thought my particles weren't small enough. I ran through a couple broken converters, too - most of which I had to pay! Switching to Hielscher made a huge difference. My UIP1000 is really good German engineering. Now I get my nanomaterials to be nano.
Regards,
Alan
 

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