Flapping wing Vs. conventional aircraft

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the advantages and disadvantages of flapping wing micro aerial vehicles (MAVs) compared to conventional rigid wing and rotary wing aircraft. It explores theoretical concepts, potential applications, and the implications of different flight dynamics in various environments.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that flapping wing MAVs may be more efficient at low Reynolds numbers, particularly at low flight speeds under 10 m/s.
  • Others argue that fixed wing MAVs exhibit lower agility for indoor obstacle avoidance compared to flapping wing designs.
  • A participant questions why flapping wing MAVs are considered more maneuverable, proposing that higher wing beat frequencies contribute to this agility.
  • Another participant notes that the maneuverability of flapping wing MAVs is a theoretical concept, pointing out a lack of concrete examples demonstrating this advantage in practice.
  • It is discussed that fixed wing MAVs require larger wings to achieve low-speed flight, which may limit their effectiveness in confined spaces.
  • Flapping wings generate lift primarily through wing motion rather than forward airspeed, allowing for better control of lift and thrust at low speeds or during hovering.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the maneuverability and efficiency of flapping wing MAVs versus conventional designs. There is no consensus on the superiority of one approach over the other, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the practical implications of these theoretical advantages.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in current research and practical examples of flapping wing MAVs, as well as the dependence on specific flight conditions and design parameters.

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I have noticed a lot of research in flapping wings for micro aerial vehicles. Is there an advantage to vehicle with flapping wings vs. a rigid wing or a rotor craft such as a helicopter or quad rotor. I am sure it can depend on the situation and maybe there hasn't been enough research yet but what kind of situation would a flapping wing vehicle be the best choice?
 
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Some reasons for looking at flapping wing / flexible wing MAV's vs. rigid wing MAV's...

1) At the low reynolds numbers (low flight air speeds < 10 m/s) being dealt with conventional wings a very much less efficient then at much greater reynolds numbers.

2) Fixed wing MAV's have lower agility to deal with indoor obstacle avoidance.

3) Rotary wing MAV's are too noisy as well as suffer from efficiency effects of low reynolds numbers.
 
dtango said:
2) Fixed wing MAV's have lower agility to deal with indoor obstacle avoidance.

Why are flapping wing MAVs more maneuverable?
 
RandomGuy88 said:
Why are flapping wing MAVs more maneuverable?

Because the wing beat frequency is much higher.
 
RandomGuy88 said:
Why are flapping wing MAVs more maneuverable?

It's a theoretical concept. I haven't seen an actual MAV example that demonstrates this but I'm woefully lacking in following MAV development :wink: so take my comment with a grain of salt.

Conceptually a fixed wing MAV will have a harder time maneuvering in confined indoors spaces because of the airspeed or wing span & surface area needed for very low speed flight. Contrast to that of a small bird or insect that easily maneuvers in confined spaces at very low forward airspeeds and even hovers. So the idea is that a MAV based on the same principles flight principles of birds or insects would be more agile in that respect vs. a conventional wing.

Here are a couple of papers on the topic:

http://edge.rit.edu/content/P06007/.../References/Bristol_MAV_ornithopter_Paper.pdf

http://www.public.iastate.edu/~huhui/paper/2009/AIAA-2009-0876-flapping-wing.pdf

Flapping flight is quite complicated to describe. But consider the following difference to expound a bit more on the concept above.

Fixed wing aircraft get their primary lift generation as function of forward airspeed and amount of wing span & surface area. (Yes angle of attack is a part of it but the amount of aoa needed is a function of the airspeed.) For MAV flying in confined spaces very slow speeds are needed to avoid running into obstacles. The only way to do that with a fixed wing MAV to reduce it's flyable forward airspeed is to increase the size of the wing. As you can see this is a self defeating proposition - we have to make a larger MAV to fly in smaller spaces. Hmmm.

Flapping wings get their lift not from forward airspeed of the aircraft but from flapping motion of the wing. Because of this there is less reliance on forward airspeed to generate lift and the amount of lift (and thrust) generated can be controlled by how fast the wings beat. This conceptually solves the issue for a fixed wing MAV trying to fly at very slow airspeeds or even hover.
 

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