Flickering Comet: A Science Fiction Idea Explored

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of a science fiction concept involving a comet with a nucleus made of concentric layers of ice and dust, and whether this could result in a flickering appearance of the comet's coma and tail. Participants explore the implications of this idea in terms of astronomical behavior and storytelling.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that if a comet's nucleus consists of layers of ice and dust, it could potentially outgas and stop in a cyclical manner as different materials are exposed to sunlight.
  • Another participant questions the feasibility of a "flickering" comet, suggesting that once a layer of dust is on the surface, it would either lose material or not, but not both simultaneously.
  • A participant elaborates that the ices would burn off to create a tail, which would then be diminished by the dust, indicating a continuous loss of different materials.
  • There is a suggestion that periodic oscillations in brightness could be achieved through rotation, rather than relying solely on the layered structure of the comet.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about synchronizing the loss of volatile materials from different layers, proposing that a rotating section might allow for some plausible scenarios, though still implausible overall.
  • Another participant introduces the idea of using pulsars or quasars as alternatives, noting their natural pulsing behavior and rapid changes in luminosity, which could serve as inspiration for the story.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with some supporting the layered comet idea while others challenge its feasibility. There is no consensus on whether the flickering effect could realistically occur with a comet, and alternative celestial objects are suggested without resolution on the original concept.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the speculative nature of the discussion, with some limitations regarding the synchronization of material loss and the behavior of different materials under sunlight pressure remaining unresolved.

Who May Find This Useful

Writers and enthusiasts of science fiction, particularly those interested in astronomy and the creative integration of scientific concepts into storytelling.

Crickity
Hi folks,

Had an idea for a science fiction story I'm writing, wondered if it would actually work in reality. Basically, if a comet's nucleus were comprised of concentric layers of ice and dust, would it produce a coma/tail in an on-and-off manner?

Would it outgas and stop, outgas and stop as the materials exposed to the sun cycled?

I am an astronomy buff, not an astronomer, and I am very aware of the difference. With that in mind, I thought I'd check before I put it to paper.
 
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Once you have a layer of dust on the surface, what do you want to happen? Either it loses material or it does not, but not both at the same time.

Even if that works, I don't see how it would lead to a "flickering" comet.

How do you want to use the comet in the story? Maybe there is an easier way.
 
I mean that the ices would burn off, creating a tail, then the dust would, extinguishing or diminishing the tail. It's constantly losing material, just different kinds of material.

It's a device about establishing a character as an astronomer with layers.
 
It's a device about establishing a character as an astronomer with layers.
What does that mean?

Every material will reflect a part of the sunlight.

If you want an object with periodic oscillations in brightness, rotation is a possible approach.
 
Crickity said:
I mean that the ices would burn off, creating a tail, then the dust would, extinguishing or diminishing the tail. It's constantly losing material, just different kinds of material.

It's a device about establishing a character as an astronomer with layers.

Here's my non-expert opinion...

Even if the comet was somehow created in layers, I can't see any obvious way that the rate of loss of the volatile stuff could be synchronized between different parts of the surface, so different layers would be active at different locations on the surface.

You might just about manage it if the only part which is losing material is some sort of band around a rotating section, although that's still quite implausible. It might work perhaps for a single loose "well" of layered material recently exposed, where the rest of the surface is relatively stable and inert.

Dust and ice can both create visible tails anyway, but different materials behave in different ways under the pressure of sunlight, so you might get split tails or multiple tails.

If it's fiction, you can invent some unlikely reason why it should work (perhaps involving heat pipe effects or similar which somehow have the effect of allowing each layer to be lost before the next one is started), but to be realistic I think anyone would normally consider this to be very surprising.
 
Does it have to be a comet? Pulsars seem a better option.
wiki said:
A pulsar (portmanteau of pulsating star) is a highly magnetized, rotating neutron star that emits a beam of electromagnetic radiation. This radiation can only be observed when the beam of emission is pointing toward the Earth, much the way a lighthouse can only be seen when the light is pointed in the direction of an observer, and is responsible for the pulsed appearance of emission. Neutron stars are very dense, and have short, regular rotational periods. This produces a very precise interval between pulses that range from roughly milliseconds to seconds for an individual pulsar.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulsar

Or Quasars
wiki said:
Some quasars display changes in luminosity which are rapid in the optical range and even more rapid in the X-rays. Because these changes occur very rapidly they define an upper limit on the volume of a quasar; quasars are not much larger than the Solar System.[4] This implies an astonishingly high energy density.[5] The mechanism of brightness changes probably involves relativistic beaming of jets pointed nearly directly toward us.
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(dailymail.co.uk
EDIT- The grainy pulsar pic might lead to bias so...
:biggrin:
768px-Chandra-crab.jpg

wiki
 
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Nice pictures,Enigman!
 
Very nice pictures!

Thanks for the replies guys.
The flickering isn't the hard bit, it was the layers. They're thematically important, so I'll work on a way to include them. A layered well is looking like the way to go. Pulsars are going to feature elsewhere though, errybody loves a good neutron star!
 

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