Fluids PDE Problem: Understanding the Elimination of c_1 in Boundary Condition

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The discussion revolves around a problem in fluid dynamics involving the potential function ##\psi(r,\theta)## for fluid flow around a cylinder. Participants are examining the implications of boundary conditions on the solution, particularly focusing on the elimination of the constant term ##c_1## in the context of the problem's boundary behavior at large ##r##.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the solution for ##\psi(r,\theta)## includes a logarithmic term ##c_1 \ln \frac{r}{a}## and questions why this term is not eliminated by the boundary condition as ##r## approaches infinity.
  • Another participant provides context, explaining that the problem involves fluid flow in 2D around a cylinder and that the potential function is defined to satisfy continuity, leading to the Laplace equation ##\nabla^2 \psi = 0##.
  • A participant suggests that since ##r## becomes much larger than ##\ln r##, it may be reasonable to disregard the logarithmic term in the boundary condition analysis.
  • There is a question raised about the absence of a constant term in the solution, with a participant wondering why the potential function does not include an additional constant term ##C_0(x)##.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the treatment of the logarithmic term and the constant term in the potential function. There is no consensus on whether ##c_1## can be disregarded or how it should be treated in relation to the boundary conditions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on the behavior of the logarithmic function relative to polynomial terms as ##r## increases, as well as the implications of continuity in fluid dynamics. The assumptions regarding the dominance of terms at infinity are not fully resolved.

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Hi PF!

So my book has boiled the problem down to $$\psi(r,\theta) = c_1 \ln \frac{r}{a}+\sum_{n=1}^\infty A_n\left(r^n-\frac{a^{2n}}{r^n}\right)\sin n\theta$$ subject to ##\psi \approx Ur\sin\theta## as ##r## get big. The book then writes
$$\psi(r,\theta) = c_1 \ln \frac{r}{a}+U\left(r-\frac{a^2}{r}\right) \sin \theta$$ I understand ##A_n=0\, \forall\, n \geq 2## and ##A_1=U## but why isn't ##c_1## eliminated too? To me it seems the natural log does not allow the "boundary condition" to be satisfied.
 
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Whats the context of the problem?
 
Fluid flow in 2D passing a cylinder of radius ##a##. The flow satisfies continuity, so ##\nabla \cdot \vec{v} = 0##. Define ##\psi \equiv \nabla \times \vec{v}## so that continuity is satisfied. Then ##v_x = \psi_y## and ##v_y=-\psi_x##. The resulting PDE is then ##\nabla^2 \psi = 0##. Solving this in polar coordinates yields the above solution I posted, the infinite series. In the far wake, velocity in the ##x## direction is constant ##U##, which suggests ##v_x = \psi_y = U \implies \psi = Uy## (I guess I don't understand why there is no constant too, which is to say why isn't this true: ##\psi = Uy + C_0(x)##).
 
Any ideas? My thought process is since ##r## grows much larger than ##\ln r## we may leave the natural logarithm? Can anyone confirm this?
 

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