Flying squirrel intercepting nut midair

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The problem involves a nut rolling off a table and falling to the ground while a flying squirrel attempts to intercept it midair. The squirrel's horizontal and vertical velocities are known, but the angle of its glide is not. The scenario raises questions about the timing and positioning of both the nut and the squirrel during their respective motions.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the nut's and squirrel's motions, questioning whether interception is possible given the nut's horizontal velocities and the squirrel's glide. Some participants explore the equations governing their movements and the implications of the squirrel's starting position.

Discussion Status

Several participants have contributed different perspectives on the problem, with some expressing skepticism about the feasibility of interception. Others have attempted to formulate equations to describe the motion and timing involved. There is an ongoing exploration of the variables and conditions necessary for the squirrel to successfully catch the nut.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the nut has horizontal velocities and that the timing of the squirrel's glide is crucial. There is mention of potential confusion regarding the squirrel's initial position relative to the nut, which may affect the analysis. Some participants also express uncertainty about the necessary conditions for interception.

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It has been a while since I graduated, so I'm a bit rusty. This is actually a real life problem, so I'm not sure the level of math needed to solve it. (Move to a different forum if appropriate.)

Homework Statement


A nut is rolling off a table and falling to the ground (its direction, velocity are known). Some unknown time after the nut starts falling, a flying squirrel hanging on one of the table legs starts gliding to intercept it. The horizontal and vertical velocity of the squirrel are known, but its flight angle around the vertical axis is unknown. The squirrel intercepts the nut at an unknown time.

Here are the variables I've been using in my model:

--- constants
g = gravity

nvx = nut x velocity
nvz = nut x velocity

svh = squirrel horizontal velocity
svy = squirrel drop velocity

sipx = squirrel initial x position (relative to nut initial position)
sipz = squirrel initial z position (relative to nut initial position)
sipy = squirrel initial vertical position (relative to nut initial position)

--- unknowns
svx = squirrel x velocity
svz = squirrel x velocity
ndd = nut drop distance before interception
ssd = squirrel glide start delay
t = time of interception
dx = distance on x-axis the squirrel must glide
dz = distance on z axis the squirrel must glide

Homework Equations


I feel like these should be enough to figure it all out. I think there should be only one solution (assuming time is playing forward.)

svz = sqrt(svh^2 - svx^2)

dx = (nvx * t) - sipx
dz = (nvz * t) - sipz

t = sqrt(2 * ndd / g)
t = dx / svx + ssd
t = dz / svz + ssd
t = (ndd - sipy) / sdv + ssd

The Attempt at a Solution


I haven't been able to get much farther than putting together the formulas above.

I'd have no trouble if I could figure out when they intercept. The position of the nut would then be known, and from that I could calculate the angle the squirrel is gliding at and how long it must wait on the table leg before launching.

I appreciate any help! I just found this forum so I apologize for any etiquette breaches.
 
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Given that the nut is falling straight down and the squirrel is gliding and the nut starts first, I don't see any possibility that the squirrel could ever meet up with the nut while they are both in the air. It would have to be a jet-propelled squirrel :smile:
 
phinds said:
Given that the nut is falling straight down and the squirrel is gliding and the nut starts first, I don't see any possibility that the squirrel could ever meet up with the nut while they are both in the air. It would have to be a jet-propelled squirrel :smile:

(I know it isn't relevant to what you are saying, but the nut isn't falling straight down, it has horizontal velocities nvx = nut x velocity, nvz = nut x velocity.)

The squirrel should be able to catch it if it is low enough on the table leg (given by 'sipy'). We'll know it isn't low enough if it tries to start gliding before the nut even rolls off the table. (This would be a negative ssd = squirrel glide start delay.)
 
This is as far as I got for now:

Using the same axis as stated: x and z as the horizontal axis and y as the vertical axis being positive going down.

then:
\Delta y = \mathrm{ndd} = \frac{1}{2} g t^2 = (t-\mathrm{ssd}) \mathrm{svy}
\Delta x = \mathrm{nvx} \cdot t = (t-\mathrm{ssd}) \mathrm{svh} \cos(\theta) + \mathrm{sipx}
\Delta z = \mathrm{nvz} \cdot t = (t-\mathrm{ssd}) \mathrm{svh} \sin(\theta) + \mathrm{sipz}
Which are three equations with three unknowns: t, \mathrm{ssd}, \theta

By dividing z over x you get the angle: \tan(\theta) = \frac{\mathrm{nvz}}{\mathrm{nvx}} - \frac{\mathrm{sipz}}{\mathrm{sipx}}
and rewriting y gives: t -\mathrm{ssd}=\frac{g t^2 \mathrm{svy}}{2}
substituting both in either x, z you can solve for t.
 
Ubrasaur said:
(I know it isn't relevant to what you are saying, but the nut isn't falling straight down, it has horizontal velocities nvx = nut x velocity, nvz = nut x velocity.)

The squirrel should be able to catch it if it is low enough on the table leg (given by 'sipy'). We'll know it isn't low enough if it tries to start gliding before the nut even rolls off the table. (This would be a negative ssd = squirrel glide start delay.)

Ah ... I misread the problem statement. For some reason I thought the squirrel was starting from the top of the table leg but that's clearly not what you said. Sorry for the confusion.
 
Thanks for the replies guys, I'm afraid to say though that I can't quite seem to get it to work out. I've decided that I'll cheat. I can easily solve the problem for the most common case of the nut falling straight down. When the nut has sideways motion, I'll just have the squirrel turn while flying.
 

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