Flywheel Troubles: Designing an Energy Storage System for a Small Buggy

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The discussion revolves around designing an energy storage system using a flywheel to propel a small buggy. Participants explore the mechanics of torque exerted by the flywheel through the wheels onto the ground, and the conditions under which the buggy may experience wheelie, wheelspin, or forward propulsion. The scope includes conceptual design, technical challenges, and practical considerations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks assistance in calculating the torque exerted by the flywheel and its implications for the buggy's movement.
  • Another suggests using rubber wheels to increase friction, which may prevent wheel slip but could also limit propulsion distance if the buggy is made heavier.
  • A participant emphasizes the need for a detailed design with dimensions and gear ratios to effectively address the problem.
  • One contributor expresses uncertainty about the torque applied by the flywheel, questioning whether it is equal and opposite to the friction on the driving wheels when loaded.
  • Another participant provides the formula for the moment of inertia of a solid cylinder, which is relevant to the flywheel design.
  • Concerns are raised about the complexity of using a flywheel for this application, with suggestions for alternative energy storage methods, such as a torsion spring mechanism.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the feasibility and complexity of using a flywheel for the buggy, with no consensus reached on the best approach or the specifics of the torque calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention several variables, such as friction, flywheel angular velocity, and buggy mass, but do not resolve how these factors interact to determine the torque. There is also uncertainty regarding the conditions under which the flywheel exerts torque.

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Individuals interested in mechanical design, energy storage systems, and the physics of motion may find this discussion relevant.

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Am having some trouble with a project at the moment and wondered if anyone could help.

Essentailly the project was to design an energy storage system to propel a small buggy. We opted for a flywheel, the buggy wheels and hence the flywheel are to be accelerated on a rolling road and then the buggy is to be released on the floor.

The problem I am having is try to work out the torque exerted by the flywheel through the wheels onto the ground, and then hence work out a formula that can tell me whether the buggy will "wheelie" , wheelspin or propell itself forward.

Any help would be much apreciated
 
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If you are talking about a small toy buggy car, make sure the wheels are rubber.this is sure to increase the friction, so you can't prevent wheelslip. An alternate would be to make your buggy heavier, but that wouldn't propel it very far...
 
If you want to take this that seriously you are going to need to lay out a design that you can draw dimensions from and then work gear ratios. To make this a conceptual head problem would cause me problems for sure.
 
I understand most of the concepts and idears and can deduce a lot of things that are required. However given a certain set of constants, friction (muR) , flywheel angular velocity , buggy mass etc etc, I can not work out the torque that the flywheel exerts on the driving wheels of the buggy. I understand that the torque must be less than the wheel radius * friction, for it to not wheelspin, but i just can not seem to work out the torque applied by the flywheel.

It appears to me so far that the flywheel only exerts a torque when it is loaded and so should exert a torque equal and opposite to the friction applied to the driving wheels, is this correct, I'm not sure.
 
Do you have a formula for inertia?
 
yeah, 1/2 MR^2 , as it is a solid cylinder, we chose this as it would be far simpler to balance than a flywheel with more mass distributed around the outer part of the wheel.
 
A flywheel for a buggy ? Doubt anybody tried that before. You need it to be heavy to store anough energy, you need it to spin while the buggy is moving, you need changing gears for different rpm... To me at least that all sounds quite complex. Unless of course it's leterally just a small buggy that has to go streight just for a bit and stop and that's it so it's simpler than that and you don't really need different gears.

May I perhaps suggest the idea of a torsion spring, like those toys where you turn a key and it runs. If you make the buggy load the spring itself it's still a serious project anyway, and also more likely to work or work better I think.
 
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