Focal length of thin converging lens

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The discussion revolves around the focal length of a thin converging lens in the context of an outdoor security camera. The original poster presents a problem involving the movement of a bird and the corresponding changes in object distance and magnification, with specific focal lengths provided.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between focal length and object distance, questioning whether the focal length of a simple lens can change. There is discussion about the definitions of focal length versus focal distance and the implications of these terms in the problem context.

Discussion Status

Some participants express confusion regarding the problem's wording and the nature of the lens, with differing interpretations about whether the focal length can change. There is acknowledgment of the need for clarity in the problem statement, particularly concerning the lens type and its properties.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem may incorrectly label the lens as a 'simple lens,' suggesting it might actually be a zoom lens to accommodate varying object distances while maintaining image focus.

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Homework Statement



An outdoor security camera has a simple lens with focal object length fo = 6.00 cm and perfectly focuses the image of a bird onto its detector located 9.00 cm away from the lens. The animal then flies away from the lens and the new focal distance is 8.00 cm. (a) How far did the bird move? (b) What is the new magnification?

Homework Equations


$\begin{array}{l}
\[\frac{1}{f} = \frac{1}{s} + \frac{1}{{s'}}\]
\end{array}$

The Attempt at a Solution



This is my solution:
$\begin{array}{l}
\frac{1}{{{f_0}}} = \frac{1}{s} + \frac{1}{{s'}}\\
\frac{1}{{{s_1}}} = \frac{1}{{{f}}} - \frac{1}{{s'}} = \frac{1}{6} - \frac{1}{9} = \frac{1}{{18}}\\
{s_1} = 18cm\\
\frac{1}{{{s_2}}} = \frac{1}{{{f}}} - \frac{1}{{s'}} = \frac{1}{6} - \frac{1}{8} = \frac{1}{{24}}\\
{s_2} = 24cm\\
\Delta {s_o} = {s_2} - {s_1} = 24cm - 18cm = 6cm
\end{array}$
As my textbook offers limited worked solutions for this topic I have looked around and it seems that the focal length does not change on a 'simple lens', even if it is bi-convex. It is s and s prime that changes. Or am I misunderstanding the initial question? The wording is somewhat vague.

This is the solution I was presented with:

f1= 6.00 cm

s’1 = s’2= 9 cm ( f > s’ >2f ) + image is real, inverted, and reduced (for both)

f2 = 8.00 cm

s1 = ?

s2 = ?

Ds0= s2- s1

A camera should mean a bi-convex lens.
$\begin{array}{l}
\frac{1}{{{f_0}}} = \frac{1}{s} + \frac{1}{{s'}}\\
\frac{1}{{{s_1}}} = \frac{1}{{{f_1}}} - \frac{1}{{s'}} = \frac{1}{6} - \frac{1}{9} = \frac{1}{{18}}\\
{s_1} = 18cm\\
\frac{1}{{{s_2}}} = \frac{1}{{{f_2}}} - \frac{1}{{s'}} = \frac{1}{8} - \frac{1}{9} = \frac{1}{{72}}\\
{s_2} = 72cm\\
\Delta {s_o} = {s_2} - {s_1} = 72cm - 18cm = 54cm
\end{array}$
The bird flew 54 cm or just over half a metre from the camera.
 
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For s2, I think the 8 centimeters are supposed to change to 9 cm (so the distance between detector and lens changes). The lens itself does not change.

Focal length and focal distance are different things.
 
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Thanks for the reply mfb.

I think I am also confusing focal length and focal point, but the solution I was given still doesn't make sense to me. If the image remains focused on the detector then the lens must change or the detector-lens distance must change. If the detector-lens distance changes then it would be from 9cm to 8cm because the object distance has definitely changed in the wording of the question.
 
Kompewt said:

Homework Statement


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As my textbook offers limited worked solutions for this topic I have looked around and it seems that the focal length does not change on a 'simple lens', even if it is bi-convex.
Well, you have a good point. A 'simple lens' could not change its focal length.
However, in this problem it must, in order to keep a sharp image for different object distances s1 and s2.
So your 'simple' lens has to be a 'zoom' lens. And I think the problem statement is wrong to call it a 'simple lens'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoom_lens
 
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