Fock State: A Picture from Physical Point of View

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The discussion revolves around the concept of Fock states in quantum mechanics, specifically seeking a physical interpretation rather than a mathematical one. Participants explore representations of Fock states in phase space and their characteristics, including the relationship between particle number and phase uncertainty.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants describe Fock states as having a fixed number of particles but an unpredictable phase, questioning how this is represented in phase space.
  • One participant suggests that a Fock state might be represented as a line in phase space, referencing the number-phase Wigner function.
  • Another participant provides an example of a Fock state, emphasizing that it consists of a definite number of excitations, contrasting it with superpositions of number states.
  • There is a discussion about the expectation value of field operators in a Fock state being zero, indicating a lack of a definite phase, and contrasting this with coherent states that represent classical waves.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how Fock states are represented in phase space, with no consensus on whether they should be depicted as circles, ellipses, or lines. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the physical interpretation of Fock states.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the dependence on definitions of Fock states and the lack of clarity on how phase space representations are derived or interpreted. The discussion also touches on the distinction between Fock states and coherent states without resolving the implications of these differences.

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I know there were some discussions in the forum about fock state. In text, fock state described as a state with fixed number of particle but unpredictable phase. Instead of talking about the math, could anyone show me a clear picture from physical point of view what is fock state? In the phase space, will fock state always be a circle with one direction squeezed (like ellipse)?
 
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I think that the Fock state would be represented like a line, i.e. P(n, \theta) \propto \delta(n)
Check for instance this article on the number-phase Wigner function: http://journals.aps.org/pra/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevA.52.3474 , I will try to get a copy.

Also you can try:
- the webpage of Lvovsky's group contains some of their papers on experiments releated to Fock states: http://people.ucalgary.ca/~lvov/Alex-pub.html
- If you have access to some library look for the book Quantum optics in phase space by W. Schleich.
 
I managed to retrieve a copy of the PhyRevA article <<Moderator note: Deleted content>>.

PS: Can I upload the copy here on forum as attachment?

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soarce said:
I managed to retrieve a copy of the PhyRevA article.

PS: Can I upload the copy here on forum as attachement?

No, you are not allowed to do this. APS charges ca $160 for the right to host an article in this fashion. However, many people here will be able to access the article through university subscriptions so it can still be relevant to give the reference: http://dx.doi.org/10.1103/PhysRevA.52.3474

Thread re-opened, but please abide by the copyright laws.
 
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KFC said:
I know there were some discussions in the forum about fock state. In text, fock state described as a state with fixed number of particle but unpredictable phase. Instead of talking about the math, could anyone show me a clear picture from physical point of view what is fock state? In the phase space, will fock state always be a circle with one direction squeezed (like ellipse)?
I don't know where you are getting this. A Fock state, also known as a number state, is just a state where the number of excitations is definite. For example a Fock state might something like

"3 photons of momentum ## k_1## and seven of momentum ## k_2##".

Something that is not a Fock state would be superposition of number states, such as

"1 photon with momentum ##k##, prob. amplitude ##a_1##" + "2 photons with momentum ##k##, prob. amplitude ##a_2##". ##a_1\neq 0 ,\,a_2 \neq 0 ##

This would not be a Fock state (although it still is in Fock space).

As for the phase being unpredictable, this can be seen by finding the expectation of the field operators in a Fock state. You will find that it is zero - it doesn't represent a wave with a particular phase, so when you find the average value of the field, it comes out to be zero. For a state more closely represents a classical wave, see a coherent state (which is not a Fock state - it contains all possible number states of one particular momentum in a superposition).
 
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