For a Given a Probability of Success, How Many Successes in a Sample?

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The discussion revolves around determining the number of successes required in a sample to achieve a specified probability of success, specifically within the context of a hypergeometric distribution. Participants explore the mathematical formulation of this problem as it applies to a scenario involving colored balls drawn from a larger set.

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  • One participant presents a specific example involving 100 balls and seeks to find how many blue balls are needed to achieve at least 3 successes with an 85% probability.
  • Another participant suggests that having 40 blue balls results in approximately an 84.6% chance of drawing 3 or more blue balls.
  • There is a mention of the classic binomial distribution, but a later participant corrects this by stating that the problem is actually a hypergeometric distribution issue.
  • One participant claims to have calculated that to achieve an 84.6% probability of drawing 3 or more blue balls, at least 40 blue balls are required among the 100 total balls.

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Participants express differing views on the appropriate distribution to apply, with some initially suggesting a binomial distribution before agreeing that the hypergeometric distribution is more suitable. There is no consensus on the exact number of blue balls required, as calculations vary among participants.

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Participants reference specific probabilities and outcomes based on their calculations, but there are indications of uncertainty regarding the accuracy of their methods and results. The discussion does not resolve the underlying mathematical complexities or assumptions involved in the problem.

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Is there a general equation for an inverse hypergeometric distribution?

Greetings,

I'm making a statistical calculator for game analysis, and have an interesting problem.

Here is a specific example: I have a sack of 100 balls and are going to take 10 out of it randomly. I want to find 3 or more blue balls 85% of the time.

How many blue balls must I have in the sack to have this probability of success?
X = 100
Y = ?
K = 10
R = 85%
N = 3

In general terms:
To achieve at least N successes R percent of the time in a sample size of K, how many items Y in a set of X items must be successes?

I arrived at a general equation by my own calculations to find N given R, but it indicates I need about 43 blue balls get achieve my desired 85% chance.

However, using a standard cumulative hypergeometric distribution to find R given N, I calculate that using 43 balls will give me a 88.9% chance of success.

Consequently, I know my method is in error, and am hoping I can have some help in figuring a general equation for this problem. It would seem what I am seeking is an inverse hypergemoetric distribution.

The equations and work so far can be seen in the google docs spreadsheet I have created for them http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AnPw5qvi2hRrdHoweklSQnBuVW9NbVFIUENpYmUyV3c&hl=en".
You can see my work on the Chance to Draw Stats and Probability tabs.

Any input would be appreciated.
 
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Having 40 blue balls gives you a 0.846ish chance of having 3 or more blue balls. In general the problem reduces to solving a polynomial equation. Do you know how to set up the equation?
 
Classic binomial distribution.
 
zli034 said:
Classic binomial distribution.

I was wrong. It's a hypergeometric distribution problem. I have calculated if you want 84.6% probability to get 3 or more blue balls from random picked 10 balls out of 100 balls, the 100 balls need to have at least 40 blue balls and also 60 other colored balls.
 

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