For every positive integer n there is a unique cyclic group of order n

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The discussion revolves around the statement that for every positive integer n, there is a unique cyclic group of order n. Participants explore the implications of this statement within the context of group theory, specifically focusing on the definitions and properties of cyclic groups and their orders.

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  • Matt expresses confusion about the statement's validity and references properties of cyclic groups, including the relationship between the order of an element and the group.
  • Fredrik questions the terminology used, particularly the meaning of "order of g" and suggests that the last point implies the title statement without needing proof.
  • Another participant agrees with Fredrik, asserting that the quoted fact implies the uniqueness of cyclic groups of order n up to isomorphism.
  • There is a discussion about the meaning of "up to isomorphism," with some participants clarifying that it indicates all cyclic groups of a given order are structurally the same.
  • Participants clarify the definitions of terms such as the order of a group, the subgroup generated by an element, and the order of an element.

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Participants generally agree on the definitions and implications of cyclic groups and their orders, but there is some uncertainty regarding the necessity of proving the statement in the title. The discussion reflects differing levels of familiarity with the terminology and concepts involved.

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Some participants express confusion over specific terms and their meanings, indicating a potential gap in understanding that may affect the clarity of the discussion.

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Hi,

I can't understand why the statement in the title is true. This is what I know so far that is relevant:

- A subgroup of a cyclic group G = <g> is cyclic and is <g^k> for some nonnegative integer k. If G is finite (say |G|=n) then k can be chosen so that k divides n, and so order of g^k is n/k.

- Let G = <g> be a cyclic group. If g has infinite order, then G is isomorphic to the integers with addition. If o(g) = n, then G is isomorphic to Z/nZ with addition.

And then apparently the last point implies the statement in my title and I have no idea how!

Thanks,

Matt
 
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I'm not entirely familiar with the standard terminology (or this theorem), so you will have to explain a few things. The order of a group is the cardinality of its underlying set, right? But what do you mean by order of g? Isn't g an element of the group? Was that supposed to be "order of G"? What do you mean by <g>? I would guess that it's the smallest subgroup that has {g} as a subset. What does o(g) mean? Is it "order of g", where "g" actually means G? In that case, I'd say that the "last point" (the sentence that contains o(g)) is just a slightly stronger statement than the one in the thread title, and there's nothing to prove.

I assume that "unique" means "unique up to isomorphism".
 
I agree with Fredrik that there seems to be nothing to prove, if you already have the quoted fact:
Let G = <g> be a cyclic group. If g has infinite order, then G is isomorphic to the integers with addition. If o(g) = n, then G is isomorphic to Z/nZ with addition.
In other words, up to isomorphism, there is exactly one cyclic group of order ##n##, namely ##\mathbb{Z}/n\mathbb{Z}##.

@Fredrik - you are correct about the meanings of all of the terms, which are all standard usage in group theory:

Order of ##G## = cardinality of the underlying set

##\langle g \rangle## = subgroup generated by ##g## = smallest subgroup of ##G## which contains ##g##. This is always a cyclic group consisting of the elements ##g^n## for all integers ##n##. If the powers are all distinct, then we have an infinite cyclic group, otherwise there is some smallest positive ##n## such that ##g^n## is the identity. In this case, there are ##n## distinct elements and the group is isomorphic to ##\mathbb{Z}/n\mathbb{Z}##.

##o(g)## = order of ##g## = order of ##\langle g \rangle## ("order" is overloaded here, but the meaning is always clear from the context)
 
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What exactly does 'up to isomorhism' mean, and why does this mean there isn't more than one?
 
It means that there may be infinitely many, but they're all isomorphic to each other.
 
BomboshMan said:
What exactly does 'up to isomorhism' mean, and why does this mean there isn't more than one?
It means that all cyclic groups of order n are isomorpic to each other.
 
Ah! That makes sense now. Thanks very much!
 

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