For which PDEs is the solution in the form of F(x)*G(t)?

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The discussion centers on the conditions under which solutions to partial differential equations (PDEs) can be expressed in the form of F(x)*G(t) using the method of separation of variables. Participants explore the applicability of this method to various types of linear PDEs, including its limitations and the implications of boundary conditions.

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  • Some participants question when the solution of a PDE can be expressed as F(x)*G(t) and whether separation of variables is universally applicable to linear PDEs.
  • One participant suggests that product solutions can be viewed as terms in a series solution, indicating that the general solution may involve an infinite series of functions.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the choice of series expansion depends on the specific problem, with examples provided for Laplace's equation in different coordinate systems.
  • Concerns are raised about the adequacy of infinite series in representing particular solutions and the completeness of the expansion functions.
  • Some participants note that while certain types of expansions may be more suitable for specific problems, it does not preclude the use of other forms, such as power products or Fourier series.
  • Discussion includes the uniqueness theorem, which states that if a solution is found, it is the only solution, but does not restrict the representation of that solution in different forms.
  • Conditions necessary for separation of variables to work are outlined, including the need for separability of the equation and appropriate boundary conditions.

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Participants express a range of views on the applicability of separation of variables and the nature of solutions to PDEs. There is no consensus on whether F(x)*G(t) is the only correct form for solutions, and multiple competing perspectives on the use of series expansions and boundary conditions are present.

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Participants highlight limitations related to the conditions under which separation of variables is applicable, including the nature of the PDE, boundary conditions, and the coordinate system used. There are unresolved questions about the completeness of certain function sets in representing solutions.

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So we just started finding general solutions for homogenous&linear two-variabled PDEs by using separation of variables in my engineering-math class. There the professor tells us to assume the solution of a PDE is in the form of F(x)*G(t).

But when is the solution in the form of F(x)*G(t)? When does separation of variables work and not (does it always work, in theory atleast, on linear PDEs?)? For multivariabled linear PDEs will the solution be on the form of F(x)*G(y)*H(z)*J(t)... etc?

I'm a bit confused currently... all help is appreciated.
 
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A good question!

Basically, you should think of product solutions you find as a single term in a series solution like the following:
U(x,t)=\sum_{i=0}^{\infty}F_{i}(x)G_{i}(t) (*)
where linearity and homogeneity of the differential equation shows that we can solve the "same" problem at each "i" level.
If we take a wave equation like u_tt=A*u_xx, we can represent the general solution as solving:
\frac{\frac{d^{2}F_{i}}{dx^{2}}}{F_{i}}=\frac{\frac{d^{2}G_{i}}{dt^{2}}}{G_{i}}=k_{i}, where the k_i's are constants related to the wavenumber/frequencies of component waves.
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Now, it is STILL a problem:
How can we be sure that an infinite series in terms of product functions are ADEQUATE in specifying a particular solution?
This requires that the expansion functions F_i and G_i represents what we call a COMPLETE set of functions for "x" and "t", respectively (essentially, that ALL functions in x must be representable by a sum of weighted F_i's, and similarly for all t-functions)

Is this trivial to show is true in every single case?
Not at all!
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However, remember that you DO know of a similar series expansion of an ARBITRARY, nice function u(x,t) already, namely the two-variable Taylor series of it, in product powers of x and t.
So:
The product powers of "x" and "t" DO represent what we call a complete set of expansion functions; lots of other such sets exist, and for different types of differential equations, one set of expansion functions will be more natural to use, as dictated by the shape of the diff.eq. The diff.eq, effectively, tells you how such expansion functions must look like (i.e, as solutions to the simplified, separated problems)
 
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Thanks for the clarifications :)! I understand more now, but I am still a bit unsure on why the form of F(x)*G(t) is the (only?) correct one for each partial solution.

You were comparing the Fourier series one gets out to its taylor series - so this means there are many ways to solve, say, the wave equation? Is it always an infinite-series expansion? Hell, assuming the initial conditions are satisfied and if v=1, then simply the polynomial Qx^2 + Qt^2 + ax + bt +cxt should be a solution to the wave equation too... but we use the Fourier series because it's the most practical?
 
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What series expansion you use depends entirely on the problem at hand. For example, vacuum electrostatics is essentially all about solving Laplace's equation ##\nabla^{2}\varphi = 0## for the electrostatic potential ##\varphi##. Now if I write this in Cartesian coordinates (which I would use if I have for example a system consisting of infinite charged rectangular plates) then I just have ##\{\frac{\partial^2 }{\partial x^2} + \frac{\partial^2 }{\partial y^2} + \frac{\partial^2 }{\partial z^2} \}\varphi = 0## and I can represent the solution, using separation of variables, as a series expansion in terms of sinusoidal functions and exponential functions. If I then specify the boundary conditions (for example the values of the potential on the plates-say two are grounded and another two are kept at some non-zero potential), I know this must be the only possible solution thanks to the uniqueness theorem for solutions to Laplace's equation.

If, on the other hand, I write ##\nabla^2 \varphi = 0## in spherical coordinates (which I would use for say a spherical grounded sphere of charge), Fourier series would not be of help to me. Rather, I would want to write my solution as a series expansion of Legendre polynomials. In cylindrical coordinates (say an infinitely long cylinder of charge) I would want to use Bessel function expansions and so on. The uniqueness theorem still holds as long as I specify boundary conditions.

The point is that once you have more or less "guessed" a solution e.g. one of the series expansions mentioned above using separation of variables, and you have provided sufficient boundary conditions, the uniqueness theorem will guarantee that this can be the only solution so you're done.
 
Nikitin:
Note that even in the cases where the nature of the PDE sort of specifies the type of expansion functions we ought to use, this does NOT mean that the solution isn't representable in, say, power products or Fourier series.
After all, these classes DO represent a set of complete functions!

The critical issues here would be:
1. How the coefficient structure within the new class of expansian functions ought to be
2. Extremely slow convergence of finite appproximations to the exact solutions.

Thus, SOME expansion set tends to less stupid to use than others! :smile:
 
Also,just to clarify:
The uniqueness theorem does not say that a particular REPRESENTATION of the solution is the only one possible
It "merely" says that if you have found a solution to a problem, then there are no others to be found, not that your solution cannot be warped into an equivalent formulation in another expansion set of functions.
 
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When does separation of variables work and not (does it always work, in theory atleast, on linear PDEs?)?

There are a few conditions required for separation of variables to work on a linear PDE.

1. the equation must be separable. That is, you can separate the variables and get ODEs for each variable
2. Boundaries must be constant coordinate surfaces (at infinity is also okay)
3. Boundary conditions conditions cannot be completely arbitrary. If I remember right, if the boundary is at a constant \eta (to pick an arbitrary coordinate system that may or may not be Cartesian) then the boundary condition cannot depend upon partial derivatives with respect to the other coordinates. There may be other restrictions as well.

Basic problems in heat transfer, electrodynamics, quantum mechanics, etc., can often be solved with this approach. However, it may be required to solve the problem in a non-Cartesian coordinate system in order for the approach to work (eg. solving laplaces equation inside a circle requires polar coordinates). Many real-world cases no longer fall into these categories, so other techniques are required. There are other exact approaches (eg. conformal mapping), approximate approaches (eg. perturbation theory), and of course for anything with really complicated geometry numerical methods eventually win out as the most logical approach.

jason
 

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