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The problem involves three boxes connected by strings, with an applied horizontal force acting on them. The boxes have specified masses and coefficients of friction, and the discussion revolves around determining forces under various conditions, including static and kinetic scenarios.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of maximum force before movement, the force required for constant speed, and the tension in the connecting strings. There is uncertainty regarding the relationship between acceleration and constant speed, as well as the application of friction in these scenarios.

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Some participants have provided calculations and attempted to clarify concepts such as net force versus applied force. There is ongoing exploration of the forces acting on the boxes, particularly in relation to free body diagrams and the implications of constant velocity.

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Participants note the need for clarity on the definitions of forces and the role of friction, as well as the importance of distinguishing between net and applied forces in their calculations.

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Homework Statement



Three boxes are connected by strings of constant length. (A--B--C--> F) An applied force F acts horizontal in the positive x direction. mc=5kg, mb=2mc, ma=2mb. The coefficients of static and kinetic friction are 0.2 and 0.1 respectively and are the same for each box. The boxes are initially at rest.

1) What is the magnitude of the maximum force that can be applied without causing the boxes to move?

2) The magnitude of the applied force is varied until the boxes are moving to the right at a constant speed of 2m/s. What is the magnitude of the force when the boxes are moving at this constant speed?

3) The magnitude of the applied force is varied until the boxes are moving to the right at a constant speed of 2m/s. What is the magnitude of the tension in the string connecting A and B?

4) The applied force is adjusted so that the boxes accelerate to the right at a rate of 2m/s^2. What is the magnitude of the applied force?

Homework Equations



F=ma

The Attempt at a Solution



mc=5kg
mb=10kg
ma=20kg
mtotal=35kg
us=.2
uk=.1

1) 20*9.8 + 10*9.8 + 5*9.8 = 343
343*.2 = 68.6N

2) and 3) I'm not really understanding. I know F=ma, but a isn't given; v=2m/s. And I don't even know where to begin with tension.

4) F=35*2 = 70N

Thanks for your help in advance.
 
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firework218 said:

Homework Statement



Three boxes are connected by strings of constant length. (A--B--C--> F) An applied force F acts horizontal in the positive x direction. mc=5kg, mb=2mc, ma=2mb. The coefficients of static and kinetic friction are 0.2 and 0.1 respectively and are the same for each box. The boxes are initially at rest.

1) What is the magnitude of the maximum force that can be applied without causing the boxes to move?

2) The magnitude of the applied force is varied until the boxes are moving to the right at a constant speed of 2m/s. What is the magnitude of the force when the boxes are moving at this constant speed?

3) The magnitude of the applied force is varied until the boxes are moving to the right at a constant speed of 2m/s. What is the magnitude of the tension in the string connecting A and B?

4) The applied force is adjusted so that the boxes accelerate to the right at a rate of 2m/s^2. What is the magnitude of the applied force?

Homework Equations



F=ma

The Attempt at a Solution



mc=5kg
mb=10kg
ma=20kg
mtotal=35kg
us=.2
uk=.1

1) 20*9.8 + 10*9.8 + 5*9.8 = 343
343*.2 = 68.6N

2) and 3) I'm not really understanding. I know F=ma, but a isn't given; v=2m/s.
What is the value of a when the blocks are moving at a constant speed?
And I don't even know where to begin with tension.
Draw a Free Body Diagram of Block A, which is moving at constant speed.
4) F=35*2 = 70N
That's the NET force, not the applied force.
Thanks for your help in advance.
Welcome to PF!:smile:
 
"What is the value of a when the blocks are moving at a constant speed?"

a at constant speed = 0m/s^2?

"Draw a Free Body Diagram of Block A, which is moving at constant speed."

fw=20 down, fn=20 up
v=2m/s right, uk=.1 left

that's about all i got.

"That's the NET force, not the applied force."

Fapp= 35*2 + 0.1*35 = 73.5?
 
firework218 said:
"What is the value of a when the blocks are moving at a constant speed?"

a at constant speed = 0m/s^2?
yes, so proceed as you did in part a, except change the friction coefficients.
"Draw a Free Body Diagram of Block A, which is moving at constant speed."

fw=20 down, fn=20 up
v=2m/s right, uk=.1 left

that's about all i got.
fw down is 20*9.8 N, fn up is 20*9.8 N. But what are the forces in the x direction? The velocity v = 2 m/s is not a force, and its value is not relevant in this problem. Only the fact that v is constant is relevant (a = 0).
"That's the NET force, not the applied force."

Fapp= 35*2 + 0.1*35 = 73.5?
Almost correct, you again forgot to convert the total mass to total weight when calculating the friction force.
 

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