Force on side of tank filled with liquid of variable specific weight

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The problem involves calculating the force exerted on the side of an open tank filled with a liquid whose specific weight varies with depth. The specific weight is defined as γ = 50 + 2y (N/m³), where y is the vertical distance from the liquid's surface. The tank has a rectangular side measuring 1 m wide and 4 m high.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to integrate due to the variable specific weight rather than using a constant density approach. There are questions about the correctness of using the centroid for calculating force when density varies with depth.

Discussion Status

Some participants have suggested integrating to find the force, while others have pointed out that the original pressure equation may not be applicable due to the variable nature of the specific weight. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct integration approach, with hints provided to guide the original poster's understanding without giving away solutions.

Contextual Notes

There is an acknowledgment of the original poster's calculation being close to the expected answer, but also a recognition that the presence of a decimal indicates a potential oversight. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to clarify the problem's assumptions and setup.

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Homework Statement
An open tank with a rectangular side 1 m wide and 4 m high is filled with a liquid of variable specific weight, γ, with γ = 50 + 2y (N/m3), where y is measured vertically downward from the free surface. Find the magnitude of the force on the side of the tank.
Relevant Equations
F = ∫pdA
p = ϒh
Homework Statement: An open tank with a rectangular side 1 m wide and 4 m high is filled with a liquid of variable specific weight, γ, with γ = 50 + 2y (N/m3), where y is measured vertically downward from the free surface. Find the magnitude of the force on the side of the tank.
Homework Equations: F = ∫pdA
p = ϒh

Using Fr = ∫pdA and p = ϒh to make Fr = ∫ϒhdA = ∫yhA, then substituting in the equation for ϒ, I end up with Fr = 200h + 8h2. Note that I have equated y and h, as I will be taking them both to be the height of the wall's centroid.

Substituting in 2 for h (as 2m is the height of the wall's centroid), I end up with Fr = 432N. The correct answer is 421.3N, so I'm not far off, but the presence of the decimal tells me I've missed something.

Any help is appreciated.
 
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CheesyPeeps said:
p = ϒh
This equation is not correct when ϒ varies with depth. However, for an infinitesimal change in depth dh, the pressure change will be dp = ϒdh.

Also, when the density varies with depth, the centroid can no longer be used to obtain the force on the wall.
 
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I think you need to integrate instead of using the results of the integration from a simple constant-density case.

For example:

##F = \int_0^{height} \int_0^{width} \gamma(y)_{avg} \cdot y \;dx dy##
 
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mfig said:
I think you need to integrate instead of using the results of the integration from a simple constant-density case.

For example:

##F = \int_0^4 \int_0^1 \gamma(y) \cdot y \;dx dy##
The suggestion of integrating to find the force is a good one. However, the integral shown is not going to give the correct answer. The pressure at a depth ##y## is not given by ##\gamma(y) \cdot y##.

We try to give just enough hint or help to the original poster so that they can do as much of the work on their own as possible. So, we should probably wait for @CheesyPeeps to let us know if they have been able to make any further progress.
 
TSny said:
The suggestion of integrating to find the force is a good one. However, the integral shown is not going to give the correct answer. The pressure at a depth ##y## is not given by ##\gamma(y) \cdot y##.

We try to give just enough hint or help to the original poster so that they can do as much of the work on their own as possible. So, we should probably wait for @CheesyPeeps to let us know if they have been able to make any further progress.

You replied before I caught my omission of a subscript. The expression I used does indeed give the correct answer as supplied by CheesyPeeps. I thought it was vague enough that CheesyPeeps would have to do some thinking and figuring, and yet it might help push the solution process forward.
 
mfig said:
You replied before I caught my omission of a subscript. The expression I used does indeed give the correct answer as supplied by CheesyPeeps.
Yes. With the subscript "avg", it's right. Good.
 

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