Form of Solution to Schrodinger Equation

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The discussion revolves around determining the form of the wave function solutions to the Schrödinger equation for finite potential wells and barriers. Participants explore the mathematical derivation and reasoning behind the proposed wave functions in different potential regions, addressing both cases where energy is less than or greater than the potential.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks how to determine the wave function forms for finite potential wells and barriers, providing specific equations for both cases.
  • Another participant suggests using a suitable ansatz and inserting it back into the Schrödinger equation to verify if it is a good solution.
  • A different participant argues that the solution can be derived directly from the time-independent Schrödinger equation, emphasizing the need to solve it in three regions due to piece-wise constant potential.
  • Another contribution outlines the necessity of ensuring continuity of the wave function and its derivative at potential boundaries, which leads to unique eigenvalues and eigenfunctions.
  • One participant describes the process of solving the Schrödinger equation for each region separately and highlights the importance of boundary conditions in constructing the overall wave function.
  • Another participant mentions the method of characteristic polynomials for solving linear homogeneous differential equations, suggesting it as a formal approach if simpler methods fail.
  • A later reply acknowledges the usefulness of both solving and guessing methods in determining the wave function, expressing gratitude for the insights shared by others.

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Participants express various methods for determining wave function forms, including both derivation and guessing approaches. There is no consensus on a single method, and multiple viewpoints on the process remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific mathematical forms and conditions for the wave functions based on energy levels relative to potential, but the discussion does not resolve the nuances of these approaches or their implications.

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Hey guys, I just want to ask on how do you determine the form of wave function for Schrödinger equation of finite potential well and potential barrier.

Why is it ψ(x) = Ae^ikx + Be^-ikx (x < -a)
ψ(x) = Fe^ikx (x > a)
ψ(x) = Ce^μx + De^-μx (-a < x < a)
for k^2 = (2mE)/(hbarr), μ^2 = (2m(V - E))/(hbarr) and E < V

The potential barrier is 0 at x < -a and x > +a and V at -a < x < a.

I know that there are two cases (E < V and E > V). What I really don't know is how do you get the solution form of the Schrödinger equation.

And for a potential well:

Why is it ψ(x) = Ae^kx + Be^-kx (x < -a)
ψ(x) = Fe^kx + Ge^-kx (x > a)
ψ(x) = Csin(μx) + Dcos(μx) (-a < x < a)

The potential well is 0 at x < -a and x > +a and -V at -a < x < a.
 
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mrrelativistic said:
Hey guys, I just want to ask on how do you determine the form of wave function for Schrödinger equation of finite potential well and potential barrier.
You [STRIKE]guess[/STRIKE] select a suitable ansatz (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ansatz), then insert your [strike]guess[/STRIKE] carefully chosen ansatz back into the equation to see if it's a good solution.

That's how many differential equations are solved.
 
Well, in this case there's no need to guess the solution but you can derive it directly from the time-independent Schrödinger equation, which obviously is the one the OP likes to solve. Setting \hbar=1 for convenience, it reads
-\frac{1}{2m} \psi&#039;&#039;(x)+V(x) \psi(x)=E \psi(x),
where E \in \mathbb{R} is an eigenvalue of the Hamilton operator.

To find the possible eigenvalues, you have to solve this equation and find the values for E such that the resulting wave functions become either square-integrable (leading to the discrete part of the Hamiltonian's spectrum and the corresponding the bound-state solutions of the time-independent Schrödinger equation) or functions that are normalizable to \delta distributions (continuous part of the Hamiltonian's spectrum and scattering solutions of the time-independent Schrödinger equation).

Here, the potential is piece-wise constant and it's pretty easy to solve the differential equation in the three regions separately. Then you have to make the wave function and its first derivative continuous at the places where the potential makes (a) jump(s).

These conditions give unique (generalized) eigenvalues E and the associated (generalized) eigenfunctions!
 
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at start you want to separate 3 different regions because you got different V potential as you can see in the picture.So generaly you solve 3 Schrödinger equations for the 3 regions.
The results must ofcourse unite to 1 wave function keeping in mind that a wave function(and its derivative)must be continuous.

Anyway The first thought is how much energy you start with, as you said there are the tow cases of E < V and E > V

for E<V

you got in Schrödinger for the 3 regions

1st region x<-L ) (-h^2/2m)ψ1''+V*ψ1=Eψ1 ψ1''=d^2ψ(x)/dx^2 , h=h(barr)

2cond -L<x<L ) (-h^2/2m)ψ2''=Eψ2

3rd x>L ) (-h^2/2m)ψ3''+V*ψ3=Eψ3

So now we solve them

1st) ψ1''=(2m/h^2)(V-E)ψ1 , (2m/h^2)>0 ,(V-E)>0 using k^2=(2m/h^2)(V-E) you get ψ1''=k^2ψ1 solve→ ψ1(x)= Ae^kx + Be^-kx

for that solution if we take x → -∞ we get ψ1=∞ and you don't expect that cause you are in the potential region and its pushing you away, or you can say that you want ψ to be Square-integrable function , so B=0

2cond) (-h^2/2m)ψ2''=(2m/h^2)(-E)ψ2 now (2m/h^2)(-E)<0 using γ^2=(2m/h^2)(E) you get
ψ2''=-γ^2 ψ2 solve→ ψ2(x) = Ce^iγx + De^-iγx

now to get the form you said use Eulers Eq and you ll get ψ(x) = Vsin(γx) + Mcos(γx)
(mind V and M are now complex)

3rd) solve same way as the first with same k^2
and you get ψ(x) = Fe^kx + Ge^-kx (x > a) for the same reason you don't expct to get too big
So F=0

after that to get the whole solution you just use boundary conditions.

Now for E>V you get different kind of problem witch is scatering one.The difference applies essentially that now we don't worry if ψ is Square-integrable function
 
mrrelativistic said:
how do you determine the form of wave function for Schrödinger equation of finite potential well and potential barrier.

Have you had a course in differential equations yet? The time-independent SE in each region is a linear homogeneous differential equation which can be solved using the method of "characteristic polynomials." A Google search on "linear differential equation characteristic polynomial" will give you several sites that describe this method.

In practice, physicists usually use Nugatory's "guess and try it" method first. If that fails, we use a more formal method like characteristic polynomials, or the power-series method (which you might see when you get to the SE for the simple harmonic oscillator), etc.
 
Oh, I see. I could solve it or I could guess and test it if it satisfies the Schrödinger equation for that region. Thanks Nugatory. vanhees71, SyLba, and jtbell. Really helpful answers.
 

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