Formula for Commutator of f(n), a, a+ Bose operators

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The discussion revolves around the commutation relations of functions of the number operator and Bose operators, specifically focusing on the expressions for [f(n), a] and [f(n), a+]. Participants explore various mathematical formulations and implications of these relations, including the use of series expansions and eigenstates.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the commutation relations can be expressed as f(N)a† = a†f(N+1) and f(N)a = af(N-1).
  • One participant illustrates this with the example f(x) = x^3, leading to a specific form for the commutation relation.
  • Another participant discusses the validity of the relation [f(n), a+] = a+(f(n+1) - f(n)), noting that it holds for f(n) = n.
  • Some participants assert that the results hold for any function expressible as a series expansion, while others challenge this assumption.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of eigenstates and how they relate to the application of functions to the number operator, with some arguing that it does not depend on power series expansions.
  • Questions arise regarding the validity of applying functions like sin(N) to operators and how to define such functions without relying on series expansions.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of the spectral theorem in extending from power series to continuous functions, providing references for further reading.
  • There is a debate about the implications of applying the raising operator a† multiple times and its effect on eigenstates.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of power series for defining functions of operators, with some asserting it is not required while others believe it is essential. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the general proof of these relations and the applicability of certain functions to operators.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on definitions of functions and operators, as well as unresolved mathematical steps related to the application of non-polynomial functions to the number operator.

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If ##\hat{n}=\hat{a}^+\hat{a}## is number operator and [tex]\hat{a}^+[/tex],[tex]\hat{a}[/tex] are Bose operators. Is there then some formula for
[tex][f(\hat{n}),\hat{a}][/tex]
[tex][f(\hat{n}),\hat{a}^+][/tex]
 
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f(N)a = af(N+I)
f(N)a = af(N-I)

So for example if f(x) = x3,
N3a = a(N3 + 3N2 + 3N + I)
 
Thanks for the answer. How you see that?

[tex][f(\hat{n}),\hat{a}^+]=f(\hat{n})\hat{a}^+-\hat{a}^+f(\hat{n})=\hat{a}^+f(\hat{n}+1)-\hat{a}^+f(\hat{n})=\hat{a}^+(f(\hat{n}+1)-f(\hat{n}))[/tex]
For ##f(\hat{n})=\hat{n}## its ok. Because.
[tex][\hat{n},\hat{a}^+]=\hat{a}^+[/tex]
 
For every function which can be written in terms of a series expansion,it will work.It is an assumption.
 
Take as basis |n>, the usual eigenstates of the number operator.

N|n> = n|n> and for any function f, f(N)|n> = f(n)|n>.

Then f(N) a|n> = f(N) √(n+1)|n+1> = √(n+1) f(N) |n+1> = √(n+1)f(n+1) |n+1>.
Also a f(N+1) |n> = a f(n+1)|n> = f(n+1) √(n+1) |n+1>.

so these two expressions are equal. Does not depend on expressing f as a power series.
 
Don't understand this step
[tex]f(\hat{n})|n+1\rangle=f(n+1)|n+1\rangle[/tex]
 
Does not depend on expressing f as a power series
when it is not a power series then it is hard to verify the validity
f(N)|n> = f(n)|n>
see dirac'principal of quantum mechanics' section 11.
 
Could I say that ##\hat{a}^2=(\hat{a}^+)^2=0##?
 
Don't understand this step
f(n)|n+1⟩=f(n+1)|n+1⟩
The state |n+1> is the eigenstate of N with eigenvalue n+1. Applying N to one of its eigenstates just multiplies it by the eigenvalue, namely n+1 in this case: N|n+1> = (n+1) |n+1>. Also N2|n+1> = (n+1)2|n+1> etc. And in general f(N)|n+1> = f(n+1)|n+1>. Contrary to what andrien says, this is not an "assumption", does not depend on a power series expansion, need "verification", or anything like that. It's just the way eigenstates work.
Could I say that a2 = (a+)2 = 0?
No, a is the raising operator. Applied to an eigenstate |n> it gives you back a multiple of the next eigenstate. |n+1>. Applying it twice raises twice and gives a multiple of |n+2>. Likewise a2 lowers by two steps.
 
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f(N)|n+1> = f(n+1)|n+1>,this may be an obvious thing.But it is not very obvious to me at least when it is a function.Since N operates and becomes the eigenvalue,all N2 or any power will do that.But if there is any function like Sin2N,it is not very obvious that it will become Sin2n,until unless one resorts to a series form.However I don't know the general proof,but it is ok.
 
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If not by series expansion, could you suggest how to define a function of an operator (e.g. sin(N))?
 
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Elaborating a little on Bill_K's "It's just the way eigenstates work"...

The extension from power series to continuous functions is the subject of more sophisticated versions of the spectral theorem. Cf. Kreyszig, theorems 9.9-1 and 9.10-1.

Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectral_theorem explains how, for an ordinary self-adjoint operator ##A## with spectrum ##\sigma(A)##, one can express ##A## as
$$
\def\<{\langle}
\def\>{\rangle}
A ~=~ \int_{\sigma(A)} \lambda dE_\lambda ~=~ \int_{\sigma(A)} \lambda |\lambda\>\<\lambda| ~.
$$
Unfortunately, Wiki doesn't explain extensively that the extension to a continuous real-valued function ##f## then takes the form
$$
f(A) ~=~ \int_{m-0}^M f(\lambda) dE_\lambda ~,
$$
where the integral is understood in the sense of uniform operator convergence -- cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operator_topology , and ##f## is defined on ##[m,M]##, where
$$
m ~=~ \inf_{\|x\|=1} \<A\psi, \psi\> ~,~~~~~
M ~=~ \sup_{\|x\|=1} \<A\psi, \psi\> ~.
$$
(For details, one must read Kreyszig, or some other book on functional analysis.)

Anyway..., although there are still some caveats on which functions can be used with which operators, for physics purposes it's a very class.

Additional warning: there are various operator topologies (i.e., various senses in which operators can be considered equal), so one must take care when applying the more sophisticated versions of the spectral theorem.
 

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