Formulas for Arithmetical and Geometrical Progression

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The discussion revolves around the formulas for arithmetical and geometrical progressions, including their derivations and applications. Participants explore the significance of understanding these formulas rather than merely memorizing them, as well as the implications of series in higher mathematics.

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  • Some participants express skepticism about memorization as a method of learning math, advocating for a deeper understanding of formula derivation.
  • One participant provides the formula for the last term of an arithmetical progression and explains its structure, suggesting that the nth term can be expressed as a+(n-1)d.
  • Another participant elaborates on the geometric progression, detailing how the nth term is ar^(n-1) and discussing the sum of the series.
  • Participants discuss the importance of series in approximating functions, such as the sine function, and the role of infinite series in higher mathematics.
  • There are mentions of geometric interpretations of series, particularly in relation to Zeno's paradox, with some participants sharing visual examples.
  • Some participants express difficulty in visualizing fractions and discuss different methods for understanding them, including using number lines and circles.

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Participants generally agree on the importance of understanding the derivation of formulas rather than relying solely on memorization. However, there are varying opinions on the best methods for visualizing and comprehending mathematical concepts, particularly fractions and series.

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Some participants mention specific resources and examples, such as the book "Arithmetic for the Practical Man," but there is no consensus on the best approach to learning or visualizing mathematical concepts.

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This discussion may be useful for students and educators interested in the foundational concepts of arithmetical and geometrical progressions, as well as those exploring the significance of series in mathematics.

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Memorization, a contemptuous, futile, and insignificant method of learning math is, I think, not the solution to my problem. Well for the arithmetical progression, I have the formula:

Let: l= last term
a= first term
d= common difference

l= a+[d(n-1)]

And for the geometrical progression;

Let: l= last term
a= first term
r= common ratio

l= a(r^n-1)

and also,

for the getting the sum;

Let: l= last term
r= common ratio
a= first term

S= lr-a/ r-1

Now given these formulas, I have no idea how it is derived. I tried to formulate it on my own but I don't know how these equation was created. Please, give me tips to discern how a formula is made.
 
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fde645 said:
Memorization, a contemptuous, futile, and insignificant method of learning math is, I think, not the solution to my problem.
I agree! Memorizing simple formulas that are used often can be a time-saver, but one must also understand where the formulas come from, and if they are simple enough, there is no need to memorize at all; you can just derive them on demand. These formulas are a good example of this.

Well for the arithmetical progression, I have the formula:

Let: l= last term
a= first term
d= common difference

l= a+[d(n-1)]
First thing to recognize is that an arithmetical progression with first term = ##a## and common difference = ##d## simply looks like this: ##a, a+d, a+2d, a+3d, \ldots##. So the first term is ##a##, the second term is ##a+d##, the third term is ##a+2d##, and so forth. In general, the ##n##'th term is ##a+(n-1)d##. That's all there is to it. I see no point even memorizing such a simple thing.

You can make a very similar argument for the geometric progression: the first term is ##a##, the second term is ##ar##, the third term is ##ar^2##, and in general, the ##n##'th term is ##ar^{n-1}##.

The sum of the geometric progression is more interesting. Here, if you want to sum the first ##n## terms, you need to evaluate ##S = a + ar + ar^2 + \ldots + ar^{n-1}##. All of the terms have a common factor ##a##, so we can factor it out to get ##S = a(1 + r + r^2 + \ldots + r^{n-1})##. So the key is to find
$$T = 1 + r + r^2 + \ldots + r^{n-1}$$
Note that we can multiply the entire equation by ##r## to obtain
$$rT = r + r^2 + \ldots + r^{n-1} + r^n$$
Now (great trick) subtract the second equation from the first, to obtain
$$T - rT = 1 - r^n$$
since all the other terms cancel. Now divide both sides by ##1-r## to get
$$T = \frac{1 - r^n}{1-r}$$
Thus
$$S = aT = a \frac{1 - r^n}{1-r}$$
is the answer you want. Note that it is valid as long as ##r \neq 1##. Can you find another formula for the ##r=1## case?
 
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jbunniii said:
First thing to recognize is that an arithmetical progression with first term = ##a## and common difference = ##d## simply looks like this: ##a, a+d, a+2d, a+3d, \ldots##. So the first term is ##a##, the second term is ##a+d##, the third term is ##a+2d##, and so forth. In general, the ##n##'th term is ##a+(n-1)d##. That's all there is to it. I see no point even memorizing such a simple thing.

You can make a very similar argument for the geometric progression.

Hmmm... So I guess the book that I derived this from was just for introducing this concept. Its called Arithmetic for the practical man by Thomson.
I never saw it that way, pretty interesting stuff. Thanks!

What is the importance of series? or infinite series by the way? Sorry if I sound so ignorant since I really am. I heard its really important in higher mathematics.
 
When I first read your post I didn't notice you were also asking about the SUM of the geometric progression, which is more interesting. So I added some info about that to my previous response.
 
fde645 said:
What is the importance of series? or infinite series by the way? Sorry if I sound so ignorant since I really am. I heard its really important in higher mathematics.

There are various reasons. One of the reasons is to be able to calculate and approximate functions. For example, if you want to calculate ##\sin(x)##, then expanding it in an infinite series will help. If you then take enough terms of the series, then you will have a real good approximation of the sine.
 
micromass said:
There are various reasons. One of the reasons is to be able to calculate and approximate functions. For example, if you want to calculate ##\sin(x)##, then expanding it in an infinite series will help. If you then take enough terms of the series, then you will have a real good approximation of the sine.

This is reason why mathematics is counter intuitively cool, I wish I know higher math right now, oh well.
 
jbunniii said:
When I first read your post I didn't notice you were also asking about the SUM of the geometric progression, which is more interesting. So I added some info about that to my previous response.

Oh no its my fault, I poorly arranged my post. Thank you so much.
 
By the way, the geometric series has (surprise!) a nice geometric interpretation, for example when ##r=1/2##. The sum ##S = 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 + 1/16 + \ldots## adds up to ##1## in the limit, because it is formed by adding half of the unit square (1/2), then half of the remaining area (1/4), then half of the remaining area (1/8), etc. See the pictures here:

https://sites.google.com/site/butwhymath/m/geometric-series-visually
 
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jbunniii said:
By the way, the geometric series has (surprise!) a nice geometric interpretation, for example when ##r=1/2##. The sum ##S = 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 + 1/16 + \ldots## adds up to ##1## in the limit, because it is formed by adding half of the unit square (1/2), then half of the remaining area (1/4), then half of the remaining area (1/8), etc.

And that's one of the examples used to help solve Zeno's turtle paradox. Isn't it?
 
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adjacent said:
And that's one of the examples used to help solve Zeno's turtle paradox. Isn't it?
Yes, as I understand it, one form of Zeno's "paradox" is that since 1 can be expressed as 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 + 1/16 + ..., it's impossible to move 1 meter because it requires taking infinitely many smaller steps. What he didn't seem to consider is that the time required for each step is also shrinking geometrically, so the total time required is of course finite.
 
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jbunniii said:
By the way, the geometric series has (surprise!) a nice geometric interpretation, for example when ##r=1/2##. The sum ##S = 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 + 1/16 + \ldots## adds up to ##1## in the limit, because it is formed by adding half of the unit square (1/2), then half of the remaining area (1/4), then half of the remaining area (1/8), etc. See the pictures here:

https://sites.google.com/site/butwhymath/m/geometric-series-visually

I have a problem with visualizing fractions... I just can't picture it. I don't know why. :)))
 
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fde645 said:
I have a problem with visualizing fractions... I just can't picture it. I don't know why. :)))
The easiest way for me is to visualize a circle. ##\frac{1}{2}## means 1 out of two.So you have total two parts and you select one from there.Similarly, if you have ##1 \over 100##.You have total 100 parts and you select 1 from there.

Once you get the general idea,it will be as easy as pie.
 
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Oh, of course, I know that visualization, but in some ways, for example, dividing a fraction by a fraction, I can't visualize it through a circle or a square but through a number line only. But I think I got the idea of adding a unit fraction by a unit fraction visually.
 
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fde645 said:
Oh, of course, I know that visualization, but in some ways, for example, dividing a fraction by a fraction
Dividing by a fraction is the same as multiplying by the reciprocal of the fraction. In this way you can turn any division problem into an equivalent multiplication problem.

For example, instead of, say (1/2)/(1/3), this is the same as (1/2) * (3/1), or 3/2.

fde645 said:
, I can't visualize it through a circle or a square but through a number line only. But I think I got the idea of adding a unit fraction by a unit fraction visually.
 
  • #16
I didn't mean that. I meant to say, I can't visualize dividing a fraction by a fraction with the use of a figure, or shape, like circles or squares, but I can do the operation, abstractly, using numbers. Although I can picture it using the number line. And also, I can't visualize multiplying a fraction by a fraction using a model, using a figure, a shape, such as circle and square.
 
  • #17
fde645 said:
I didn't mean that. I meant to say, I can't visualize dividing a fraction by a fraction with the use of a figure, or shape, like circles or squares, but I can do the operation, abstractly, using numbers. Although I can picture it using the number line.
There's nothing wrong with that. The number line is a very good way to visualize division of fractions. If I have a line segment of length 1/2 and I want to subdivide it into line segments of length 1/8, how many do I need? Answer: 4. This is a perfectly good visualization of
$$\frac{1/2}{1/8} = 4$$
In my opinion, trying to visualize it using squares or circles introduces unnecessary clutter.
 
  • #18
Never mind, guys, I completely see now visually how multiplication of fractions works using shapes.
 

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