Fossil Fuel Energy: Uncovering the Power of Buried Organic Matter

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The discussion revolves around the nature of fossil fuels, specifically addressing the energy contained within them, the reasons for their high energy content compared to living or recently deceased organic matter, and the distribution of energy before and after the organic matter's death. The scope includes conceptual exploration and technical reasoning related to energy forms and transformations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that all energy derived from fossil fuels by burning is in the form of chemical energy.
  • Others argue that fossil fuels have accumulated additional chemical energy due to being buried for millions of years, gaining energy from gravitational and thermal processes.
  • A later reply challenges the notion of "extra" chemical energy, suggesting that the reasoning behind energy accumulation may be flawed and invites reconsideration of related concepts, such as nutritional value comparisons.
  • One participant notes that the third question about energy percentages depends on the answers to the first two questions and suggests it may need restatement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms behind the energy content of fossil fuels, with some supporting the idea of additional energy accumulation and others contesting this perspective. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of energy distribution and the validity of the claims made.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of energy forms and the calculations related to energy content, particularly in relation to nutritional values and their implications for understanding fossil fuel energy.

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Fossil fuel is former live organic matter which has bee buried for hundreds of millions of years. They have lots of energy in them and we use it by burning them and converting some of those energy into useful work.

What energy is that?
Why does fossil fuel have so much more energy compared to living or recently dead organic matter?
What percentage of the energy of fossil fuel was already in them just before they died and what percentage did they gain after millions of years underground?
 
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Looks like homework. Smells like homework. Must be homework.

Give the first two questions a try; the third is poorly stated, and you'll want a little help with the restatement --- once you've got the other two.
 
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Looks like homework. Smells like homework. Must be homework.

Give the first two questions a try; the third is poorly stated, and you'll want a little help with the restatement --- once you've got the other two.


Actually it is not homework. It is something that came up during a discussion in the General physics forum under the topic of Hot Food... But I'll have a go at answering the first two questions.

1. All the energy we derive from fossil fuel by burning it was in the form of chemical energy.

2. Because it has been underground for hundreds of millions of years and static most of the time, it has accumulated massive amount of gravitational and thermal energy and has converted it into 'extra' chemical energy (on top of the chemical energy it had while it was alive through photosynthesis). It is this 'extra' chemical energy accumulated through millions of years that makes fossil fuel so energy rich.

3. The answer to this questions depends on the (correct) answers to 1 and 2. So I can't answer it. It may need to be restated as well.
 
Sorry --- haven't been following that thread.

pivoxa15 said:
Actually it is not homework. It is something that came up during a discussion in the General physics forum under the topic of Hot Food... But I'll have a go at answering the first two questions.

1. All the energy we derive from fossil fuel by burning it was in the form of chemical energy.
Correct --- underline, bold-face, and emphasize in every possible way the word "All."
2. Because it has been underground for hundreds of millions of years and static most of the time, it has accumulated massive amount of gravitational and thermal energy and has converted it into 'extra' chemical energy

Creative. Absolutely, utterly, totally wrong, but creative. Give you a couple hints here, and let you try again:

1) how much nutritional value in a glass of water? (You've already covered that in the other thread, but think about it.)
2) Ever use dehydrated soup? What's the label on the package say about nutrition? How does it compare to that for a "serving" of the same canned soup? How much nutritional value do you add to dehydrated by rehydrating it?​

(on top of the chemical energy it had while it was alive through photosynthesis). It is this 'extra' chemical energy accumulated through millions of years that makes fossil fuel so energy rich.

3. The answer to this questions depends on the (correct) answers to 1 and 2. So I can't answer it. It may need to be restated as well.

Gotta wait on 3. until we finish 2.

'Nother point for you, just to correct some miscalculations in the other thread --- a dietician's calorie (or "great calorie") is 1000 times larger than a thermodynamic calorie --- the thermal energy from heating food is 1000 times less relative to nutritional energy than everyone has been calculating in the "hot food" thread.
 

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