Fourier Analysis of Wave Packet: Is This Calculation Correct?

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The discussion revolves around the Fourier analysis of a wave packet, specifically examining the calculation of the wave function ##\psi(x, 0)## given a defined function ##\phi(k_x)##. Participants are exploring the relationship between the width of the wave packet in position space and momentum space, particularly focusing on the uncertainty principle expressed as ##\Delta x \Delta k_x \approx 1##.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of ##\psi(x, 0)## using integration and the implications of approximations. There is a focus on the behavior of the sinc function and its relation to the width of the wave packet. Questions arise regarding the validity of approximations and the interpretation of results related to the uncertainty principle.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing guidance on the use of Taylor expansions and questioning the accuracy of approximations. There is a recognition of the complexity involved in solving for ##x## analytically, and some participants suggest numerical methods or further approximations to aid in understanding.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of the width of ##\phi(k_x)## as it relates to ##\Delta k_x## and discuss the implications of truncating Taylor series for accuracy in calculations. There are also concerns about algebraic errors and the impact on final results.

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Homework Statement


Assume ## \phi(k_x ) = \sqrt2 {\pi}## for ## \bar{k}_x - \delta \le k_x \le \bar{k}_x + \delta##, and ##= 0## for all other values of ##k_x##. Calculate ##\psi(x, 0)##, and show that ## \Delta x \Delta k_x \approx 1 ## holds if ## \Delta x## is taken as the width at half maximum.

Homework Equations


## \psi (x,0) = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2 \pi}} \int \phi (k_x) e^{i k_x x} dk_x ##

The Attempt at a Solution


## \psi (x,0) = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2 \pi}} \int_{\bar{k}_x - \delta } ^{\bar{k}_x + \delta} \sqrt{2 \pi} e^{i k_x x} dk_x ##

## = \frac{ e^{i k_x x}}{ix} |_{\bar{k}_x - \delta } ^{\bar{k}_x + \delta} ##

## = \frac{ e^{i \bar{k}_x x}}{x} 2 sin(x\delta) ##. If ##\delta## is small we can approximate to ## e^{i \bar{k}_x x} 2 \delta ##

Is this right please?
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How do I argue that ## \Delta x \Delta k_x \approx 1 ## holds if ## \Delta x## is taken as the width at half maximum?
I think that ##\psi_{max} = 2 \delta ## ?
 
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ognik said:
If ##\delta## is small we can approximate to

Don't make this approximation.
 
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George Jones said:
Don't make this approximation.
I expected that ... in the meantime I thought of using a taylor approx, making it

## = e^{i \bar{k}_x x} (2 - \frac{x^2}{3} + \frac{x^4}{60} ) ## ?
 
The sinc function is defined by

$$sinc(u) = \frac{sinu}{u}.$$

Play around on WolframAlpha to find the u that gives the half-maximum of sinc(u).
 
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George Jones said:
The sinc function is defined by
$$sinc(u) = \frac{sinu}{u}.$$
Sorry if I am being dense, but I have ##\frac{sin(x \delta)}{x} ## ? Should I be thinking of ##\frac{\delta sin(x \delta)}{x \delta} ##

In which case, would the maximum be ##|\psi^*| = (2 \delta sinc (\delta x))^2 ## ?
 
ognik said:
Should I be thinking of ##\frac{\delta sin(x \delta)}{x \delta} ##
Yes, you can do that.
ognik said:
In which case, would the maximum be ##|\psi^*| = (2 \delta sinc (\delta x))^2 ## ?
I don't know what you actually want to calculate, if you want to calculate ##\psi(x,0)##, then there you have it with the sinc function. If you want calculate its magnitude (not maximum), it will be ##2\delta \textrm{sinc}(x\delta)##.
 
So now I have ## \frac{1}{2} | \psi |^2 = 2 \delta^2 [sinc (x \delta)]^2 ## but the maximum of ## sinc^2 ## is 1, so ## \frac{1}{2} | \psi |^2 = 2 \delta^2 = 2 \delta^2 [sinc (x \delta)]^2 ##, but I have no idea how to solve this eqtn for x, and thence ## \Delta x ##?

Also the width of ## \phi(k_x)## is ## 2 \delta ##, that is ## \Delta k_x ##?
 
ognik said:
## \frac{1}{2} | \psi |^2 = 2 \delta^2 = 2 \delta^2 [sinc (x \delta)]^2 ##
Shouldn't it be ##\frac{1}{2} | \psi |^2 = \delta^2 = 2 \delta^2 [sinc (x \delta)]^2 ##?
Indeed it's not possible to solve for ##x## analytically, the best you can do without the help of computer is to approximate the sine with its Taylor expansion truncated after, e.g two terms. Doing this,
$$
1=2\left(\frac{x\delta - \frac{1}{6}(x\delta)^3}{x\delta}\right)^2 \\
\frac{x\delta}{\sqrt{2}} = x\delta - \frac{1}{6}(x\delta)^3
$$
Solving for ##x## should be easy.
ognik said:
Also the width of ## \phi(k_x)## is ## 2 \delta ##, that is ## \Delta k_x ##?
Yes.
 
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Thanks (divided one side by 2 then got distracted...).
I quite often see Taylor truncated to 2 terms, is that a reasonable rule of thumb for OM? Or just a convenience because of the complexity the 3rd term usually adds? Also, If you wouldn't mind checking my algebra here...my final answer seems a little high?

##\psi: 1 = 2(1- \frac{(x \delta)^2}{6})^2 ##
## \therefore \frac{(x \delta)^2}{3} = 1 - \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}##
## \therefore x = \pm \frac{1}{\delta} [3(1 - \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}})]^{\frac{1}{2}} ##
## \therefore \Delta x = \frac{2}{\delta} (0.54) ##
## \therefore \Delta x \Delta k_x = 2 \delta \frac{1.08}{\delta} = 2.165 ## ?
 
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ognik said:
I quite often see Taylor truncated to 2 terms, is that a reasonable rule of thumb for OM?
The number of terms in the expansion to be retained depends on the desired accuracy of the calculation, if you want you can add the next term into the expansion above if you want it to be more accurate.
ognik said:
##\therefore \frac{(x \delta)^2}{3} = 1 - \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}##
The denominator on the LHS is not correct.
ognik said:
my final answer seems a little high?
After taking into account the correction I pointed out above, the answer may even goes up slightly. So long as the numerical value is not greater than ten (or five to be safe), it's fine. In fact, the boxcar function is a wide localized function as compared to the other localized functions whose width can vary depending on the way it is defined.
 
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Thanks, I think that 'feel' for the max will be useful, and I've learned a lot else through your help.
I get 5.3 after fixing that denominator (should have been 6, I mustn't take short cuts in my algebra)
 

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