French claim first habitable planet found

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The discussion centers around the recent claim of the discovery of Gliese 581d, a rocky exoplanet that may meet conditions for sustaining life. Participants explore the implications of this finding, its scientific validity, and the potential for habitability based on current models and data.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express skepticism regarding the claim, noting that the findings are based on simulations and hypothetical assumptions rather than direct evidence of habitability.
  • Others mention that the planet has been reclassified from just outside to just inside the 'Goldilocks zone', suggesting it could have conditions suitable for liquid water if greenhouse gases are present.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential dangers posed by Gliese 581's host star, a red dwarf, which may emit flares that could affect the planet's atmosphere and habitability.
  • A participant references earlier discussions from 2007 that also addressed the habitability of Gliese 581d, indicating continuity in the scientific discourse surrounding this exoplanet.
  • There is a general sentiment that while life may exist elsewhere in the universe, multicellular life forms could be rare, reflecting broader considerations about the uniqueness of Earth and life.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the legitimacy of the claim regarding Gliese 581d's habitability, with some expressing skepticism about the evidence and others acknowledging the potential based on current models.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the current understanding of Gliese 581d's atmosphere and habitability, emphasizing the dependence on models and the need for further data to substantiate claims.

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Hey all,

I saw this this (..) morning. :)

http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/news/4321/first-habitable-exoplanet-confirmed

PARIS: A rocky world orbiting a nearby star was confirmed as the first planet outside our Solar System to meet key requirements for sustaining life.

Modelling of planet Gliese 581d shows it has the potential to be warm and wet enough to nurture Earth-like life, scientists have said. It orbits a red dwarf star called Gliese 581, located around 20 light years from Earth, which makes it one of our closest neighbours.

Gliese 581d orbits on the outer fringes of the star's 'Goldilocks zone', where it is not so hot that water boils away, nor so cold that water is perpetually frozen. Instead, the temperature is just right for water to exist in liquid form.

20 light years away, can have water and an atmosphere. What do you guys think? Is this a legit claim?

(I hope this isn't old news that's been posting days or weeks ago.)
 
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I don't get it.Your thread title speaks of them "claiming to have found a planet same as earth" but having read the article ,all they have done is just simulated what it may look like,its atmosphere,etc.
Hypothetical assumptions,nothing close to being considered as credible.

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ibysaiyan
 
As more data's come in, IIRC, it has been moved from just outside the 'goldilocks' zone to just inside. Given a whiff of greenhouse gasses, it could have ample surface water, a hydro cycle etc etc...

Hence, it has 'potential'-- Nothing more, nothing less, pending further data...

Big snag, IIRC, is that its host star is a red dwarf, and such may flare dramatically. Unless the planet has an excellent magnetic field, it could be zapped...
 
In case you're interested in going back to earlier discussion here is a 2007 post about habitability of Gliese 581d.

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=171902

I linked to a paper which concluded that with greenhouse effect factored in, liquid water might exist, and at least some primitive forms of life.

Generally speaking, the current reports seem to confirm the earlier 2007 finding.
 
We have long suspected Earth is not unique in this galaxy, much less the universe. Life is probably even less unique, it likely exists elsewhere in our solar system. Multicellular life forms, however, are probably rare.
 

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