From fluid energy conservation equation to the continuity equation

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The discussion revolves around deriving the continuity equation from the energy conservation equation in the context of fluid dynamics, specifically for adiabatic processes involving ideal gases. Participants are exploring the relationships between energy and momentum balance equations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting to substitute expressions for energy and pressure into the energy-balance equation to derive the continuity equation. Questions arise about the implications of constant pressure and the validity of certain substitutions.

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There is ongoing exploration of the relationships between the energy-balance and momentum-balance equations. Some participants express confusion regarding the derivation process and the assumptions involved, while others suggest potential manipulations of the equations.

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Participants are working under the constraints of deriving equations relevant to ideal hydrodynamics and are considering the implications of using specific equations for ideal gases. The discussion includes questioning the assumptions about pressure and the conditions under which certain equations hold true.

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Homework Statement
Derive the continuity equation from the energy conservation equation
Relevant Equations
##\frac{De}{Dt} + (\gamma - 1)e \nabla \cdot \vec{u} = - \frac{1}{\rho} (\vec{u} \cdot \nabla)p ##
##\frac{Dp}{Dt} + \gamma p \nabla\cdot \vec{u} = 0##
##\frac{D}{Dt} \frac{p}{\rho^{\gamma}} = 0##
##e = \frac{1}{\gamma -1} \frac{p}{\rho}##
Hey there,

First of all, all energy conservation equations for a fluid I found on google hadn't the ##\gamma## coefficient. What exactly is the difference?

Secondly, by substituting e by ##e = \frac{1}{\gamma -1} \frac{p}{\rho}## in the following equation ##\frac{De}{Dt} + (\gamma - 1)e \nabla \cdot \vec{u} = - \frac{1}{\rho} (\vec{u} \cdot \nabla)p ## I got ##\frac{D}{Dt}(\frac{1}{\gamma -1} \frac{p}{\rho}) + (\gamma - 1)(\frac{1}{\gamma -1} \frac{p}{\rho}) \nabla \cdot \vec{u} = - \frac{1}{\rho} (\vec{u} \cdot \nabla)p ##

=> ## \frac{D}{Dt}(\frac{1}{\gamma -1}) p + p \nabla \cdot \vec{u} = - (\vec{u} \cdot \nabla)p ##

Then, I'm wondering if in this case the pressure is constant to have the right hand side equal to 0?
Anyway, I don't get the expecting result.
 
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That's the energy-balance and momentum-balance equation for adiabatic processes. So you deal with ideal hydrodynamics. The task is to derive the continuity equation
$$\partial_t \rho + \vec{\nabla} \cdot (\rho \vec{u})=0.$$
 
If I understood
$$
\frac{De}{Dt} + (\gamma - 1)e \nabla \cdot \vec{u} = - \frac{1}{\rho} (\vec{u} \cdot \nabla)p \hspace{10pt} (1)
$$
Is the energy-balance equation

and
$$
\frac{Dp}{Dt} + \gamma p \nabla\cdot \vec{u} = 0 \hspace{10pt} (2)
$$
is the momentum-balanced equation

I'm should be able to get (2) from (1) by replacing ##e## in (1).
 
vanhees71 said:
No, why?
I have a problem that I have get equation (2) and ##
\frac{D}{Dt} \frac{p}{\rho^{\gamma}} = 0
##

From equation (1) by replacing e with ##
\frac{1}{\gamma -1} \frac{p}{\rho}
##
 
happyparticle said:
Homework Statement: Derive the continuity equation from the energy conservation equation
Relevant Equations: ##\frac{De}{Dt} + (\gamma - 1)e \nabla \cdot \vec{u} = - \frac{1}{\rho} (\vec{u} \cdot \nabla)p ##
##\frac{Dp}{Dt} + \gamma p \nabla\cdot \vec{u} = 0##
##\frac{D}{Dt} \frac{p}{\rho^{\gamma}} = 0##
##e = \frac{1}{\gamma -1} \frac{p}{\rho}##

Hey there,

Secondly, by substituting e by ##e = \frac{1}{\gamma -1} \frac{p}{\rho}## in the following equation ##\frac{De}{Dt} + (\gamma - 1)e \nabla \cdot \vec{u} = - \frac{1}{\rho} (\vec{u} \cdot \nabla)p ## I got ##\frac{D}{Dt}(\frac{1}{\gamma -1} \frac{p}{\rho}) + (\gamma - 1)(\frac{1}{\gamma -1} \frac{p}{\rho}) \nabla \cdot \vec{u} = - \frac{1}{\rho} (\vec{u} \cdot \nabla)p ##

=> ## \frac{D}{Dt}(\frac{1}{\gamma -1}) p + p \nabla \cdot \vec{u} = - (\vec{u} \cdot \nabla)p ##

Then, I'm wondering if in this case the pressure is constant to have the right hand side equal to 0?
Anyway, I don't get the expecting result.
For an ideal gas, you just need a constitutive equation, the speed of sound will do. So from:
\frac{dp}{d\rho}=a^{2}=\frac{\gamma p}{\rho}
You write:
dp=\frac{\gamma p}{\rho}d\rho\Rightarrow\frac{Dp}{Dt}=\frac{\gamma p}{\rho}\frac{D\rho}{Dt}

From here, you can manipulate it however you want.
 

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