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The discussion revolves around methods for calculating percentages without a calculator, specifically focusing on the example of finding 16% of $24.31. Participants explore various techniques, including both complex and simplified approaches, as well as the practicality of mental calculations.

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  • One participant presents a method involving converting percentages into whole numbers and dividing the product by 100, illustrated with an example.
  • Another participant suggests that a simpler approach is to directly multiply the decimal form of the percentage, arguing that it is less complicated.
  • A different participant expresses that the original method seems overly complex and suggests using the distributive property for clarity.
  • One participant shares a personal anecdote about their own unconventional method for calculating percentages, noting that it is also more complicated than necessary.
  • Another participant describes a mental approximation technique for calculating percentages quickly, emphasizing speed over accuracy.
  • Some participants reflect on their own struggles with percentage calculations and express a desire to find easier methods.
  • One participant questions the clarity of the original presentation and seeks feedback on their writing.
  • A participant notes a realization about their own calculation habits, contrasting the ease of some percentage calculations with others.

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Participants express differing opinions on the complexity and effectiveness of various methods for calculating percentages. There is no consensus on a single best approach, as multiple competing views remain regarding the best way to perform these calculations.

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Some methods discussed rely on approximations, and participants acknowledge that their techniques may not yield perfect accuracy. The discussion also highlights the dependence on personal familiarity with different calculation strategies.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals looking for alternative methods to calculate percentages mentally, as well as those interested in exploring different mathematical reasoning approaches.

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If you are having difficulty figuring out the percentage of an item and don't have a calculator, you may utilize this trick (which i still don't know how it came to be in my mind).

Let: ##a## be a fractional number (percentage) and ##b## a whole number.

If you make ##a## be a whole number as well,then:

##a\times b####=####ab##

Then proceed to divide the product ##ab## by 100: ##ab/100####=####n##

where n is the percentage of said item.

Example: What is 16% of 24.31$ ?

##16 \times 24##=##384##
##384/100####=####3.84##

Now: ##16\times31##=##496##
##496/100####=####4.96##
##4.96/100####=####0.0496##

##3.84+0.0496####=####3.8896##

Which can be approximated to: ##\approx 3.89##

Hope i can help people with this :)
 
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That strikes me as being overcomplicated.

.16 x 24.31 would work just as well. If you don't have a calculator handy, and you have trouble doing longhand multiplication involving decimals, just move the decimal point over.

That would simplify it to 16x2431, then just do the long hand multiplication and you get 38896.

Now, since you moved the two decimals each over 2 spaces, you just move the ending decimal point back to the left 4 spaces and get 3.8896, or 3.90

Your method certainly works, but if someone is having trouble figuring out how to do percentages, I honestly can't see this method making it any easier to remember...lol
 
It probably looks complicated and most likely is complicated, i wouldn't even attempt to bother reading this mess, if i were somebody else.

But just look at that practical example if it helps, I'm sorry it's not as useful as i thought :(

Edit: You can simply use the distributive property to work through the multiplication.
 
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It's still cool from the perspective that it gives you a deeper understanding of what you're actually doing. I always try to look at problems from as many different angles as I can.

A long time ago, I used to always find percentages in a weird way too.

For instance, if I was trying to find, 35% of $67, I would take 67/100, which equals .67, then I would multiply that by 35, giving me $23.45

There again though, it makes it more complicated than it needs to be. Multiplying .35 x 67 gets the same answer.
 
Generally, if I don't have a calculator and I'm just trying to figure out percentages on the fly, I don't need perfect accuracy. Thus, I can make it a lot faster and easier. For example, the original example: 16% of 24.31.

1) 10% of 24.31 is 2.43
2) Add in half again (I'll approximate it as 1.20) --> 2.43+1.20 = 3.63
3) Add in a bit more, since I wanted 16%, not 15%, and I rounded down in the last step --> 3.63 + 0.25 (a bit more than 1% of 24.31) = 3.88

In the end, I'm only off by 0.01, but it was fast and easy to do mentally.
 
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Generally, if I don't have a calculator and I'm just trying to figure out percentages on the fly, I don't need perfect accuracy. Thus, I can make it a lot faster and easier. For example, the original example: 16% of 24.31.

1) 10% of 24.31 is 2.43
2) Add in half again (I'll approximate it as 1.20) --> 2.43+1.20 = 3.63
3) Add in a bit more, since I wanted 16%, not 15%, and I rounded down in the last step --> 3.63 + 0.25 (a bit more than 1% of 24.31) = 3.88

In the end, I'm only off by 0.01, but it was fast and easy to do mentally.

This is exactly what I do.
 
If i may end this thread concisely, was the presentation well written? (proof)

It was one of my first times writing something like this.
 
This thread made ke realize that I don't know what 16% of 25 is, but I DO know what 25% of 16 is... I'm so used to just brute force multiplication I'm missing easy ways. 27% of 66, or 66% of 27, one is easy one is hard...
 

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