Function continuous, then a subset is closed

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a problem in topology concerning the continuity of a function defined between two metric spaces and the implications for the graph of that function. Specifically, the original poster is tasked with showing that if a function is continuous, then its graph is closed in the product space of the two metric spaces.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply definitions of continuity and closed sets but expresses uncertainty about the method to prove the statement. They consider using convergent sequences and neighborhoods but feel their approach may not be correct.
  • Some participants suggest examining the complement of the graph and using properties of open sets to establish the closed nature of the graph.
  • Questions arise regarding the interpretation of points not in the graph and how to apply the definition of continuity effectively in this context.
  • There is a discussion about using specific definitions of continuity and whether the delta-epsilon approach can be utilized in the proof.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations and methods to approach the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of complements and open sets, but no consensus has been reached on a definitive method or proof structure.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original poster is not provided with specific definitions of open sets or continuity, which may limit their approach. There is also mention of needing to construct open sets in the context of the product space, which adds complexity to the discussion.

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Homework Statement



Let M, N be two metric spaces. For f: M --> N, define the function on M,

graph(f) = {(x,f(x)) \inMxN: x\inM}

show f continuous => graph(f) is closed in MxN

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I can't figure out what method to use.

I have written out many equivalent defintions of continuity and closed sets, so far I know I want to show that.. basically since f is continuous, we have convergent sequences mapped to convergent sequences, ie xn -> x, fn -> f

And I need to show that (x,f(x)) \in graph(f)

It's either extremely trivial, because from the definition of continuity we see that all the limits belong to that subset..

But anyways, I don't think I can say that or make that a proof by just stating the obvious..

So I tried creating a neighbourhood and showing that M\graph(f) is open.

Assume f is continuous. Then for all x in M, for all ε, there exists δ=θ/2 s/t dM(x,y)<δ => dN(f(x),f(y))<ε

So consider B(y,ε'), choose ε' = δ = θ/2.
For any z in B(y,ε')

d(z,x) ≤ d(z,y) + d(x,y) < ε' + δ = θ

Then d(z,x) < θ and z is in M\graph(f)...

This is all probably very wrong.. I didn't use anywhere the definition of graph(f) which worries me.

eek.. Help?
 
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Have you consider seeing what happens to points that _are not_ in the graph, i.e., to see what happens to the complement of the graph in MxN? Seeing closed sets as complements of open ones. of course.
 
hm, I am not sure I understand.. so if I take points in MxN, that are not in the graph, then we have (x,f(x)) but x is not in M, which wouldn't make sense, would it?
 
No, I mean, MxN, and then take (m,n), with n not in f(M), i.e., n is in N-f(M); since f is a function, every argument m in M can have--has--exactly one output, so that if (m,f(m)) is in the graph, then (m,n') , with n'≠ f(m) _cannot_ be in the graph of f.
 
Ok.. So to clarify, we have points in MxN,

(m,n) , n not in f(M)
(m,n') not in graph(f)

Then do I use the defn of continuity on these two sets of points?
 
Which definition of "continuous" are you given? One is "f is continuous if and only if, for every open set U, f^{-1}(U) is open". That may be what Bacle was thinking when he suggested that you look at complements which will be open if the given sets are closed.
 
I'm just give that f is continuous... I'm not told that any set U is open though, so I don't know if I can use that definition.

Is there a way to do this using a delta epsilon definition? Or neighbourhoods?
 
What I was suggesting was using continuity to construct an open set UxV; U open in M, V open in N (so that UxV is open in the product MxN) , as an open set containing a point (m,n), with n≠ f(m), i.e., (m,n) is not in the graph of f , so that UxV misses the point (m,f(m)), then UxV is an open set containing a generic point in the complement, so that the complement of the graph is open, and so the graph is closed. Specifically, the continuity of f allows you to contain the image of the graph of f within an ε-ball of f(x)--where you can , again by continuity, make this ε as small as you want. Consider, e.g., the graph of f(x)=x2, and a point not in the graph, e.g., a point p=(x,x2+a) ; a≠ 0. Can you see how to construct an open set containing p, that misses the graph? Here M=N=the reals.
 

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