Function notation and shifting functions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the notation and representation of functions related to the velocity of a particle as measured by two different stopwatches. Participants explore whether to use the same function notation for different time references or to define a new function to avoid ambiguity.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if the function is consistently represented as ##\vec{v}(T)## and ##\vec{v}(t)##, there is no ambiguity in the notation.
  • Others argue that using a notation like ##\vec{v}(0)## could lead to confusion regarding which stopwatch's reading is being referenced.
  • A participant suggests that to represent velocity in terms of the second stopwatch, a new function ##\vec{u}(t) = \vec{v}(T)## should be defined, where ##T = t + \Delta t##.
  • Another participant agrees that the equation ##\vec{u}(t) = \vec{v}(T)## appears correct and illustrates that it maintains the correct behavior of the function.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether to maintain the same function notation or to introduce a new function. There is no consensus on the best approach to avoid ambiguity in the representation of the velocity function.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential ambiguities in function notation depending on the context of time measurement, but does not resolve how best to handle these notational issues.

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Suppose two people, X and Y, have two different stopwatches. X starts his/her stopwatch as some particle passes an origin. We can model the velocity of the particle by ##\vec{v}(T)##, where ##T## is the reading on the first stopwatch. After an amount of time ##\Delta t##, Y starts his/her stopwatch (##T = t + \Delta t##). Is it correct to model the velocity of the particle as ##\vec{v}(t)## where ##t## is the reading on the second stopwatch? Or should we change the letter used to represent the function [to ##\vec{u}(t)## for example]?
 
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It depends. If you are always using ##\vec{v}(T)## and ##\vec{v}(t)##, then there is no ambiguity. But if somewhere you are to write something like ##\vec{v}(0)##, then it is not clear which time you are referring to.
 
DrClaude said:
It depends. If you are always using ##\vec{v}(T)## and ##\vec{v}(t)##, then there is no ambiguity. But if somewhere you are to write something like ##\vec{v}(0)##, then it is not clear which time you are referring to.

I think it's because the argument of the function ##\vec{v}## as defined earlier always represents the reading on the first stopwatch. To represent velocity in terms of the reading on the second stopwatch a new function is forced upon us such that ##\vec{u}(t) = \vec{v}(T)## for all ##t##. Is this correct?
 
MohammedRady97 said:
I think it's because the argument of the function ##\vec{v}## as defined earlier always represents the reading on the first stopwatch. To represent velocity in terms of the reading on the second stopwatch a new function is forced upon us such that ##\vec{u}(t) = \vec{v}(T)## for all ##t##. Is this correct?
That equation looks correct. Since ##T = t + \Delta t##, you recover the correct behavior, e.g.,
$$
\vec{u}(0) = \vec{v}(\Delta t)
$$
 
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