Functions having more than one y value for a given x value

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The discussion revolves around the concept of functions and their definitions, particularly focusing on the conditions under which a relation can be classified as a function. Participants explore the implications of having multiple y-values for a given x-value and the terminology associated with these concepts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant recalls a test for determining whether an equation is a function, suggesting that if a vertical line intersects the graph more than once, it is not a function.
  • Another participant identifies the term 'multi-valued' for functions that do not meet the criteria of a function.
  • A participant clarifies that the equation y = sqrt(x) is indeed a function, as it is defined to return only the positive root, contrasting it with the equation y^2 = x, which has multiple solutions.
  • Discussion includes the concept of 'multivalued functions' in the context of complex numbers, where multiple outputs can exist for a single input.
  • One participant suggests that the title of the thread should be revised to reflect that a relation can map a single input to multiple outputs, distinguishing it from functions.
  • They also introduce the concept of 'one-to-one functions,' which map each input to a unique output, and mention the horizontal and vertical line tests for such functions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the classification of certain equations as functions, particularly regarding the definition of y = sqrt(x) and the implications of multi-valued outputs. There is no consensus on the terminology or the definitions being discussed.

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Participants note that the definitions of functions and relations depend on specific mathematical contexts, and there may be unresolved assumptions regarding the terminology used in the discussion.

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Hi,

In school (I think) I recall there being a test for an equation which determined whether or not it was a valid 'something-or-other' and it was simply that if you could draw a vertical line anywhere on the graph of the equation, that crossed the line more than once, it was not a valid 'something-or-other'.

An example of an invalid equation would be: y = sqrt(x)

Does anyone know what the 'something-or-other' is? And if there is a term for these equations, what is it?

My apologies if this was just a figment of my imagination.

Regards,

Chris
 
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These functions are known as 'multi-valued'.
 
Chrisistaken said:
Hi,

In school (I think) I recall there being a test for an equation which determined whether or not it was a valid 'something-or-other' and it was simply that if you could draw a vertical line anywhere on the graph of the equation, that crossed the line more than once, it was not a valid 'something-or-other'.
'something-or-other'= function.

An example of an invalid equation would be: y = sqrt(x)
No, it isn't. In order that it be a function, we specifically define \sqrt{x} to be the positive number whose square is equal to x. What is NOT a "function of x" is the y given by x= y^2. For example, while solutions to the equation y^2= 4 are 2 and -2, y= \sqrt{4} is 2 only.

Does anyone know what the 'something-or-other' is? And if there is a term for these equations, what is it?

My apologies if this was just a figment of my imagination.

Regards,

Chris
In complex numbers, where there turn out to be practically NO such "functions", we allow what we now call "multivalued functions". In that case, \sqrt{-4} would be both -2i and 2i.
 
If I may suggest, please fix your title. If we are defining functions such that the x-value is the input value and the y-value is the output value, then the title does not make sense. If you have a single x-value mapped onto multiple y-values, then you wouldn't have a function in the first place.

Instead, you should have used the word "relation" in your title. In relations, a single input value can be mapped onto multiple output values. All functions are relations, but not all relations are functions.

There are also a specific type of function called "one-to-one function." In functions, it's permitted for multiple input values to be mapped onto a single output value. (y = x2 is an example. Except for x = 0, there are always two x-coordinates with the same y-coordinate, like (-7, 49) and (7, 49).) In one-to-one functions, however, you have a single input value mapped onto a single output value. Graphically, they must pass both the horizontal and vertical line tests. (Easiest example is y = x.)
 
Thanks all for your timely replies, much appreciated and my apologies to eumyang for the misleading title. I had a sneaking suspicion that the "something-or-other" I was searching for was infact "function" and had gone through my question at the last moment prior to posting, to change "function" for "equation". Must've overlooked the title.

Well anyway, once again thanks for the answers, most helpful :)

Regards,

Chris
 

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