Functor between the category of Hilbert Space and the category of sets

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The discussion revolves around the concept of functors in category theory, specifically the challenges of defining a functor from the category of Hilbert spaces to the category of sets. Participants explore the implications of this issue in the context of quantum mechanics and category theory, referencing John Baez's work on topological quantum field theories (TQFTs).

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  • One participant questions the meaning of the absence of a well-defined functor from Hilbert spaces to sets, seeking clarification on the underlying reasons.
  • Another participant explains that while a mapping from Hilbert spaces to sets can be proposed, the challenge lies in defining a corresponding mapping for arrows (morphisms) that would satisfy the properties of a functor.
  • It is noted that the forgetful functor exists, which maps objects from any category to sets by "forgetting" additional structure, but this is distinct from the proposed functor.
  • A participant provides an example involving Lie algebras to illustrate the concept of a mapping between categories that does not constitute a functor due to the lack of a natural way to relate morphisms.

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Participants appear to agree on the existence of a forgetful functor but express differing views on the feasibility of defining a functor from Hilbert spaces to sets. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific reasons why such a functor cannot be established.

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The discussion highlights limitations in defining functors, particularly regarding the preservation of structure and relationships between morphisms in the context of Hilbert spaces and sets.

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I have a question that is related to categories and physics. I was reading this paper by John Baez in which he describes a TQFT as a functor from the category nCob (n-dimensional cobordisms) to Vector spaces. https://arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/0404040.pdf.
At the beginning of the paper @john baez mentions this
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Now I am familiar with (very) basic category theory and quantum mechanics, but could someone expand on what exactly is meant by the fact there is not a well defined functor from the category of hilbert spaces and the category of sets?
 
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A functor is a set of rules of how to associate objects and arrows between them to objects and arrows in the target category. Given a Hilbert space ##H##, there is some set of states extracted from it, call it ##X_H##. So the natural candidate is to put ##H\mapsto X_H##. The problem is, as I understand it, we don't know what sort of map we associate with an arrow ##H\to H'## in ##\mathrm{Hilb}## such that the correspondence would be functorial (i.e well behaved).
 
Thanks for the reply. Yes, I think I understand that is what's intended. My question is more: why is it not possible to find such a functor?
 
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Thanks for the reply. Yes, I think I understand that is what's intended. My question is more: why is it not possible to find such a functor?
We always have the forgetful functor from any category to the category of sets: ##\mathcal{F}:\mathcal{H}\longrightarrow \mathcal{S}## which simply "forgets" the structure, here the structure of the Hilbert spaces. Now the problem described above is a different one: We have some mapping ##\mathbf{F}:\mathcal{H}\longrightarrow \mathcal{S}## given by the mapping to the set of unit vectors, however, this does not define a functor. A functor should preserve subsets, quotients, i.e. mappings in general:
$$
\varphi : {H}_1\longrightarrow {H}_2 \Longrightarrow \mathcal{F}(\varphi ): \mathcal{F}({H}_i) \longrightarrow \mathcal{F}({H}_j)
$$
with ##(i,j)=(1,2)## for covariant functors ##\mathcal{F}## and ##(i,j)=(2,1)## for contravariant functors ##\mathcal{F}.## In short: A functor maps objects to objects and arrows to arrows between those objects. The forgetful (covariant) functor does this: if we have a map between Hilbert spaces, then we get the same map between the underlying sets, without bothering linearity or any other structure.
If a mapping between categories does not relate the mappings between the two categories, then it is no functor. A relationship only between objects does not count.

An example:
Given the category of Lie Algebras ##\mathcal{G}##. Then $$\mathfrak{A(g)}=\{\alpha:\mathfrak{g}\longrightarrow \mathfrak{g}\, : \,[\alpha (X),Y]+[X,\alpha (Y)]=0 \}$$ for a Lie algebra ##\mathfrak{g}## defines another Lie algebra ##\mathfrak{A(g)}##. Hence
$$
\mathfrak{A}(.)\, : \,\mathcal{G}\longrightarrow \mathcal{G}
$$
is a mapping between the objects of two categories (which are the same in this case). But it is not a functor. E.g. consider the inclusion map ##\iota\, : \,\mathfrak{h}\stackrel{\subseteq }{\longrightarrow }\mathfrak{g}## between two Lie algebras. Then there is no natural way to give ##\mathfrak{A}(\iota)## a meaning, since ##\mathfrak{A(h)}## and ##\mathfrak{A(g)}## must no longer be included or otherwise related.
 
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