Recent paper on QED using finite-dimensional Hilbert space - validity?

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The discussion centers around the validity of a paper by Charles Francis titled "A construction of full QED using finite dimensional Hilbert space." Participants explore the implications of the paper's claims regarding quantum electrodynamics (QED), particularly its interpretation of Feynman diagrams and the foundational role of space in quantum theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concern over Francis's interpretation of Feynman diagrams, suggesting it contradicts standard quantum field theory (QFT) views where diagrams are seen as calculational tools rather than representations of physical reality.
  • Francis's assertion that quantum properties arise because space is not a fundamental concept is noted, raising questions about the implications for measurement and the nature of particles.
  • One participant describes the paper as potentially a "major step back" from established QFT, indicating a belief that it assigns ontological status to Feynman diagrams.
  • Another participant questions the validity of the paper, labeling it as a "crackpot paper" and suggesting it should be ignored due to its lack of citations and failure to construct full QED as claimed.
  • There is a request for clarification on specific aspects of QED that Francis may have overlooked, indicating a desire for deeper understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity of Francis's paper. While some express skepticism and critique its claims, others seek to understand its implications and identify potential gaps in Francis's arguments.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the paper's age and its lack of citations, which may indicate its reception within the academic community. There are references to Francis's history of challenging established physics, suggesting a context of ongoing debate about his work.

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Seems to be opposite QFT - unclear about Feynman diagrams...
I've been struggling with a somewhat-recent paper by Charles Francis, "A construction of full QED using finite dimensional Hilbert space," available here: https://arxiv.org/pdf/gr-qc/0605127.pdf

But also published in https://www.researchgate.net/journal/1729-5254_Electronic_Journal_of_Theoretical_Physics 10(28):27–80 · May 2006.

Francis introduces a lattice-based technique of sorts, based on measurement limitations. Space is also not fundamental -> "In the present treatment quantum properties are understood to arise precisely because space does not appear as a fundamental physical concept. Measurement results are seen as relationships between the matter (or radiation) under study and reference matter 3 used to defined the measurement"

Note that: "The fundamental physical concepts are particles, and Feynman diagrams have a natural interpretation in terms of interactions between particles in the absence of spacetime background. The predictions of perturbative QED are unaltered."

I'm bothered by Section 7.4 of the paper (Finite quantum electrodynamics - Interpretation of Feynman diagrams), where the author states that: "In standard treatments of QED, Feynman diagrams are regarded merely as aids to calculation, not descriptions of underlying structure. By contrast, in this treatment the perturbation expansion is interpreted directly as a quantum-logical statement, meaning that any number of interactions might be found taking place at any time and any position if we were to do a measurement ... in a particle interpretation, Feynman diagrams also give a pictorial representation of the fundamental structure of matter."

The above to me seems like a major step back from QFT, and also like ontological status is given to individual Feynman diagrams (a no-no, I thought). I'm not sure at all what this says about virtual particles, etc. If anyone is will to have a look and chime in (@A. Neumaier perhaps in particular!) I'd be grateful.
 
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asimov42 said:
Summary: Seems to be opposite QFT - unclear about Feynman diagrams...

I've been struggling with a somewhat-recent paper by Charles Francis, "A construction of full QED using finite dimensional Hilbert space," available here: https://arxiv.org/pdf/gr-qc/0605127.pdf

But also published in https://www.researchgate.net/journal/1729-5254_Electronic_Journal_of_Theoretical_Physics 10(28):27–80 · May 2006.

Francis introduces a lattice-based technique of sorts, based on measurement limitations. Space is also not fundamental -> "In the present treatment quantum properties are understood to arise precisely because space does not appear as a fundamental physical concept. Measurement results are seen as relationships between the matter (or radiation) under study and reference matter 3 used to defined the measurement"

Note that: "The fundamental physical concepts are particles, and Feynman diagrams have a natural interpretation in terms of interactions between particles in the absence of spacetime background. The predictions of perturbative QED are unaltered."

I'm bothered by Section 7.4 of the paper (Finite quantum electrodynamics - Interpretation of Feynman diagrams), where the author states that: "In standard treatments of QED, Feynman diagrams are regarded merely as aids to calculation, not descriptions of underlying structure. By contrast, in this treatment the perturbation expansion is interpreted directly as a quantum-logical statement, meaning that any number of interactions might be found taking place at any time and any position if we were to do a measurement ... in a particle interpretation, Feynman diagrams also give a pictorial representation of the fundamental structure of matter."

The above to me seems like a major step back from QFT, and also like ontological status is given to individual Feynman diagrams (a no-no, I thought). I'm not sure at all what this says about virtual particles, etc. If anyone is will to have a look and chime in (@A. Neumaier perhaps in particular!) I'd be grateful.
A 13 year old paper is not recent...
Its a crackpot paper that you may safely ignore . He does not construct full QED, in spite of the title of the paper.
 
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Thanks @A. Neumaier as usual for shedding some light on the validity of the work ... I suspected since it has almost no citations.

Is it possible to ask what (possibly obvious) parts of QED Francis has missed? (to help my own study)
 
asimov42 said:
Thanks @A. Neumaier as usual for shedding some light on the validity of the work ... I suspected since it has almost no citations.

Is it possible to ask what (possibly obvious) parts of QED Francis has missed? (to help my own study)
I'd need to reread the paper - wrote from memory, being on holidays. He had a long history of fighting established physics...
 

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