Fundamental and Adjoint Representation of Gauge Groups

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The discussion revolves around the representations of gauge groups in non-Abelian gauge theories, specifically focusing on the fundamental and adjoint representations. Participants explore the implications of these representations for fermions and gauge fields, their transformations, and the physical relevance of these transformations in interactions.

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  • One participant notes that in non-Abelian gauge theories, fermions transform in the fundamental representation while gauge fields transform in the adjoint representation, questioning the implications of these transformations.
  • Another participant explains the transformation of field strength in the adjoint representation, emphasizing that it represents a "rotation" of the basis vectors and that the vector space for the adjoint representation is the Lie algebra spanned by the generators.
  • A later reply corrects a mathematical detail regarding the inner product in the Lie algebra, indicating a misunderstanding in a previous post.
  • Another participant expresses curiosity about the physical intuition behind the fundamental representation and seeks insights into how these concepts were deduced.
  • One participant suggests reading about the "eightfold way" as a resource for further understanding the topic.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the nature of the representations and their implications, with some clarifying mathematical aspects while others seek physical intuition. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the deeper physical insights and implications of these representations.

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Some participants highlight limitations in understanding the transformations and their physical relevance, indicating a need for further exploration of the underlying concepts.

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Basic question, but nevertheless.

In a non-Abelian gauge theory, the fermions transform in the fundamental representation, i.e. doublets for SU(2), triplets for SU(3), while the gauge fields transform in the adjoint representation, which can be taken straight from the structure constants of the theory. From my understanding, in the adjoint representation, the group transformations can be represented as d-dimensional matrices, where d is the number of generators of the group, i.e. 3x3 for SU(2) and 8x8 for SU(3). Would the fields then be seen as vectors on which these matrices act? I think I'm severely misunderstanding something.

What is the physical relevance in the way fields transform? Is it manifested in the interactions? I have seen a technicolour scenario where the fermions transform in the adjoint representation and that seriously changes things. Anyway, any help would be appreciated.
 
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In the adjont rep. the gauge field strength are defined as

F_{\mu\nu}(x) = F_{\mu\nu}^a(x) T^a

The transformation of field strength in the adjoint rep. is

F_{\mu\nu}(x) \to U^\dagger(x) F_{\mu\nu}(x)U(x) = F^a(x) U^\dagger(x) T^aU(x)

I think this makes clear that the transformation is nothing else but a "rotation" of the basis vectors, i.e. the generators. The vector space on which the adoint rep. of the gauge group acts is the algebra spanned by the generators itself; that is somehow the definition of the adjoint rep.; in all other reps. the vector space is something different.

So the vectors are the elements of the Lie algebra (we do not care about the fact that there are space-time vectors as well; this is not relevant here). The generators are the basis vectors spanning the algebra. They allow for the construction of a linear vector space where you can add elements of the Lie algebra like

\theta(x) = \theta^a(x) T^a

The vector space has an inner product; this is defined as

\langle\theta|\eta\rangle = tr\theta\eta = \theta^a \eta^b tr[T^a, T^b] = \theta^a \eta^b \frac{1}{2}\delta_{ab} = \theta^a \eta^a

The inner product in the Lie algebra can essentially be calculated component-wise. This is the meaning that the Lie algebra is a vector space and that the fields transform as vectors under the Lie group.

The inner product is invariant under "rotations" as can be seen via the trace identity

\langle\theta^\prime|\eta^\prime\rangle = tr U^\dagger\theta U U^\dagger \eta U = tr\theta\eta

Therefore the gauge field term in the Lagrangian

\frac{1}{2}tr F_{\mu\nu}(x) F^{\mu\nu} = \frac{1}{4}F_{\mu\nu}^a(x) F^{\mu\nu}^a(x)

is nothing else but the invariant length of the "vector F".

Strictly speaking the gauge potentials live not in the adjoint rep. as they transform not only via a pure rotation but have the additional derivative term; nevertheless they can be expanded locally just like the field strength. This is the mathematical reason why a quadratic mass term for the gauge fields breaks gauge symmetry: the term

\frac{1}{2}tr A_{\mu}(x) A^{\mu}(x)

is not the "invariant length" of the "vector A"; the gauge potential is simply not a vector in this vector space.
 
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Why am I no longer allowed to edit my posts?

In the formula regarding the inner product the commutator [T^a, T^b] is wrong, it must read simply T^aT^b
 
On the same topic, it is a good oportunity to explain the uses of real, complex and conjugate
 
Thank you, that was pretty helpful. But what about the fundamental representation? I know its a bit odd to ask, but is there any physical intuition about any of this or some basic insight to how this was all deduced?
 

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