Future of the electron neutrino mass limits

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The discussion centers around the future measurements and theoretical understanding of electron neutrino mass limits, exploring both astronomical and non-astronomical methods to improve data on neutrino masses. It includes considerations of various experiments and their implications for neutrino physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the KATRIN experiment will provide an upper bound or the actual mass of the electron neutrino, and questions the potential contributions of various measurements, including gravitational waves and observations from the James Webb telescope.
  • Another participant argues that the concept of a definitive "mass of an electron neutrino" is misleading, explaining that experiments measure effective neutrino masses which depend on the specific experimental setup.
  • A later post references a calculated upper bound of 0.086 eV for the electron neutrino mass, while challenging the interpretation of previous claims about the mass of the electron neutrino.
  • There is a discussion about the notation used in neutrino mass definitions, questioning whether certain symbols refer to different mass eigenstates depending on the hierarchy of neutrino masses.
  • One participant criticizes another for not engaging deeply enough with the referenced paper, suggesting that more effort is needed to understand the definitions presented.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the concept of the "mass of an electron neutrino," with some asserting that it is not a well-defined quantity. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing views on how to interpret neutrino mass measurements and their implications.

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Limitations include the dependency on specific experimental contexts for measuring neutrino masses, and the unresolved nature of how different experiments relate to the concept of neutrino mass.

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Upper bound of the electron neutrino mass was calculated, 0,086 eV. https://arxiv.org/abs/1811.02578 This team also plans to calculate the lower bound of the electron neutrino mass. It is interesting what is the future of these calculations and measurements.
In five years also experiment KATRIN will give either the upper bound of electron neutrino mass (0,2 eV) or even the mass of the electron neutrino. https://www.katrin.kit.edu/

My question is, what we can expect from the astronomical and non-astronomical measurements to improve these data? I suppose that measurements of gravitational waves will give new data, LIGO, VIRGO, KAGRA, LISA? I suppose that James Webb telescope will give new data, useful for neutrino mass? Then, IceCube neutrino observatory is useful? There are also neutrino oscillations measurements, as NOvA and Hyper-Kamiokande.

Which measurements are the most promising and which are less promising, according to neutrinos rest masses?
 
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There is no such thing as the "mass of an electron neutrino". The electron neutrino is not a mass eigenstate. Instead what these experiments measure is an effective neutrino mass, which is a particular combination of the masses of the neutrino mass eigenstates. The exact combination depends on the type of experiment performed. For example, cosmology is typically sensitive to the sum of neutrino masses, whereas beta decay experiments target a particular combination involving the lepton mixing matrix. Neutrino oscillations are only sensitive to the mass squared differences, not to the masses themselves. Neutrinoless double beta decay experiments target yet another combination of the masses.

Neutrino telescopes such as IceCube are sensitive mainly to high-energy neutrinos, where the masses are negligible for kinematical purposes.

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exponent137 said:
\Upper bound of the electron neutrino mass was calculated, 0,086 eV. https://arxiv.org/abs/1811.02578

You are misrepresenting what they wrote. Orodruin is right, there is no such thing as the "mass of an electron neutrino". Furthermore, the author of that paper never claim that is what they are calculating, and indeed, the words "electron neutrino" don't even appear.
 
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You are misrepresenting what they wrote. Orodruin is right, there is no such thing as the "mass of an electron neutrino". Furthermore, the author of that paper never claim that is what they are calculating, and indeed, the words "electron neutrino" don't even appear.
As I look now, does ##m^\nu_0## mean either ##m^\nu_1## or ##m^\nu_3##, dependent on normal hierarchy (NH) or inverted hierarchy (IH)?
 
Itr is defined on page 2, line 8.

You simply have to put more effort. I don't think it's PF's job to read the paper for you.
 
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