GCD in PROOF - Solving the Puzzle

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The discussion revolves around a problem in number theory related to the greatest common divisor (GCD) and its properties. Participants are exploring how to prove the statement: "If b divides c, then (a,b) <= (a,c)" for arbitrary nonzero integers a, b, and c. The conversation includes requests for clarification on proof formats and methodologies.

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Main Points Raised

  • The original poster expresses confusion regarding the proof format and the problem statement, indicating a lack of background knowledge and examples from the course.
  • Some participants suggest hints and strategies for approaching the proof, such as considering the implications of divisibility and introducing new variables.
  • A participant proposes introducing a variable d = c/b to facilitate the comparison of (a,b) and (a,c) using this new representation.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need to express the proof in a formal manner, similar to an example provided, which involves showing relationships between the variables and their multiples.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to prove the statement using formal proof techniques, but there is no consensus on the specific approach or methodology to be used. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best way to structure the proof.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of familiarity with proof techniques and the properties of GCD and LCM, indicating potential gaps in foundational knowledge that may affect their understanding of the problem.

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This discussion may be useful for students studying number theory, particularly those struggling with proof techniques and the concepts of GCD and LCM.

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GCD in PROOF??

Hey everyone,

I'm taking this course called "Number Theory" and am having a lot of difficulty with it. We're currently on "proofs" and i am having some issues.

Last week was my first weeks classes. The first day my professor jumped right into the material without giving much background. He's assigning problems left and right without giving any class examples, and the textbook seems like more of a novel than a math book.

I'm stuck on one problem. I "think" it's asking for a proof, but the directions are very unclear.

It asks:

"Tell whether each statement is true and give counterexamples to those that are false. Assume a, b, and c are arbitrary nonzero integers."

And the statement is:

"If b divides c, then (a,b) <= (a,c)."

So in english, if "c divided by b", then the GCD of "a" and "b" is less than or equal to the GCD of "a" and "c".



The back of the book lists the answer as "TRUE" but doesn't give any reasoning or proof to go along with it.

He gave us two proof examples in class using GCD and LCM etc, but i honestly don't understand them. Making up variables here and there, it doesn't look like any math I've seen before.

Here are some random facts i picked up on:

(a,b) stands for the GCD (greatest common divisor)

[a,b] stands for the LCM (lowest common multiple)

LCM = (a x b)/GCD

LCM x GCD = a x b

[a,b] = (a x b) / (a,b)

(a,b) x [a,b] = a x b

a ( (b / (a,b)) ) = (a x b) / (a,b)

b ( (a / (a,b)) ) = (a x b) / (a,b)

Yeah, that's all i know...

Can anyone help me out with this problem? I have honestly no idea where to begin. Thanks!
 
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CalleighMay said:
"If b divides c, then (a,b) <= (a,c)."

Hey CalleighMay! :smile:

(have an leq: ≤ :wink:)

Hint: if something divides a and b, and if b divides c, then … ? :smile:
 


how do i do this by writing it out in "proof" format?

Is there a way to answer this problem as a "proof" rather than with an example?

We're not supposed to use an example, we're supposed to prove it with all those variables and everything, that shows one thing equals something and what not...




Here's an example of a proof in the fashion he wants us to write them:

"if c divides a and c divides b, then [a,b] <= ab"

Assuming this is true, the proof would look like:

We need to show that ab/c is a multiple of "a" and "b".

a = ck
b = cj ...(for ints k and j)

(ck x b) / c = bk... so ab/c is a multiple of b

(a x cj) / c = aj... so ab/c is a multiple of a

Therefore ab/c is a common multiple of "a" and "b". So it's either the lowest multiple, or a larger.
aka... ab/c = LCM ... or... ab/c < LCM

This shows that [a,b] <= ab/c




Is there a way to write my original problem in this manner using only variables etc?
 


CalleighMay said:
Is there a way to write my original problem in this manner using only variables etc?

Yes introduce a variable d = c/b and solve for c now compare (a,b) and (a,c) using your new representation for c. Also write e = gcd(a,b) f = b/e and make the substitutions ef = b
eg = a and h = gcd(g,d)
 
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