Gender Independent Salutation in English

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the use of gender-independent salutations in formal contexts, particularly when listing committee members. Participants explore alternatives to the traditional "Mr." or "Ms." and consider the implications of various approaches in terms of respect and formality.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest using titles like "Dr." when applicable, while others emphasize the importance of knowing individuals' genders before assigning salutations.
  • A few participants propose omitting salutations altogether and using only names and titles, arguing that this approach is more modern and less formal.
  • There are suggestions to use committee titles as identifiers, such as "Chairman" or "Vice-Chairman," without any salutation.
  • Some participants express concern that asking for someone's gender might be awkward or inappropriate, leading to humorous exchanges about the topic.
  • One participant mentions that "Dear" could serve as a neutral salutation, though it may carry connotations of formality or sales intent.
  • Another participant notes that some women may find the term "Ms." offensive, adding complexity to the discussion.
  • There are references to the evolving nature of gender identity and the challenges it presents in formal communication.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to gender-independent salutations. Multiple competing views remain, with some advocating for the omission of salutations and others suggesting various alternatives.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that cultural norms and regional etiquette may influence preferences for salutations, indicating that there is no universally accepted solution.

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I need to publish a list of a committee members. Is there any better way of preceding each persons name by Mr/Ms ?
Like
1. Mr/Ms Rajendra Adhikari ---- Chairman
2. Mr/Ms Ramkumar kafle ----- Vice-Chairman
.
.
etc. I am searching for single word replacement for Mr/Ms if there is any?
 
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I_am_learning said:
I need to publish a list of a committee members. Is there any better way of preceding each persons name by Mr/Ms ?
Like
1. Mr/Ms Rajendra Adhikari ---- Chairman
2. Mr/Ms Ramkumar kafle ----- Vice-Chairman
.
.
etc. I am searching for single word replacement for Mr/Ms if there is any?

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I_am_learning said:
I need to publish a list of a committee members. Is there any better way of preceding each persons name by Mr/Ms ?
Like
1. Mr/Ms Rajendra Adhikari ---- Chairman
2. Mr/Ms Ramkumar kafle ----- Vice-Chairman
.
.
etc. I am searching for single word replacement for Mr/Ms if there is any?
Not in formal introductions, unless you want to acknowledge them individually by name if they have similar credentials.
 
"Dr." is of course an option in some cases, but you really should find out these peoples genders. What's keeping you from doing that?
 
Just pronounce them all as "Mr.", that way you likely won't be more than 50% wrong.
 
AJKing said:
but you really should find out these peoples genders. What's keeping you from doing that?
I don't personally know the people, just emails and forums.
"Whats your gender?" , Won't that feel awkward?. The obvious counter question -"Why should it concern YOU?", and the funny reply "I can't find gender independent salutation" :-p
 
Whatever you do, don't use the Crocodile Dundee approach.
 
I_am_learning said:
I don't personally know the people, just emails and forums.
"Whats your gender?" , Won't that feel awkward?. The obvious counter question -"Why should it concern YOU?", and the funny reply "I can't find gender independent salutation" :-p

Try this, "I'm making [project] for [noun], and I'd like to have a title by your name, which do you prefer: 'Mr.', 'Mrs.', or something else?"
 
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"Dear" is as close as it gets in my experience. "Dear Bob Smith", for example, is common enough and usually taken as an indication you want to sell them something.
 
  • #11
Why not use their committee title as their title?

1. Chairman, Rajendra Adhikari
2. Vice-Chairman, Ramkumar kafle
.
.
 
  • #12
You can use Wikipedia to find people with those names. For example, Rajendra and Ramkumar are both men's names. Just look them up and try to figure it out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajendra
 
  • #13
TheStatutoryApe said:
Why not use their committee title as their title?

i would use the format he had, just omit the salutations if there is no way to confirm them otherwise. getting a bit trickier these days anyway, what with transgenders and all that.
 
  • #14
Agree with Proton Soup, just leave them out. Anyway, I've heard it that some women find Ms offensive.
 
  • #15
TheStatutoryApe said:
Why not use their committee title as their title?

1. Chairman, Rajendra Adhikari
2. Vice-Chairman, Ramkumar kafle

That would have to be 'chair person' and 'vice chair person'
 
  • #16
Yes, it's 'persondatory'!
 
  • #17
I_am_learning said:
I need to publish a list of a committee members. Is there any better way of preceding each persons name by Mr/Ms ?
Like
1. Mr/Ms Rajendra Adhikari ---- Chairman
2. Mr/Ms Ramkumar kafle ----- Vice-Chairman
.
.
etc. I am searching for single word replacement for Mr/Ms if there is any?

Yes. Simply use their first and last name. I'm really not sure why titles are still being asked by certain website, as our world is far less formal now that it used to be.
 
  • #18
Omitting the salutation works, of course, but at the cost of loosing the respect a good salute provides. Salutation used to be used for a reason, isn't it?
 
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I_am_learning said:
Omitting the salutation works, of course, but at the cost of loosing the respect a good salute provides. Salutation used to be used for a reason, isn't it?

protocols of etiquette, i guess. which may also differ by region. most people here are thinking in a very modern western liberal point of view, i think. you probably need to stick with whatever is considered best where you are. worst case may be that you chase down everyone to find out their salutations.
 
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I_am_learning said:
I need to publish a list of a committee members. Is there any better way of preceding each persons name by Mr/Ms ?
Like
1. Mr/Ms Rajendra Adhikari ---- Chairman
2. Mr/Ms Ramkumar kafle ----- Vice-Chairman
.
.
etc. I am searching for single word replacement for Mr/Ms if there is any?

Omit the Mr/Ms/. just use the name and title and let other people try to figure the gender.
 

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