General Energy ? - prob easy to answer

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The discussion revolves around the concept of energy transfer between objects, specifically whether energy can be extracted from one object and transferred to another in a manner similar to transferring water with a syringe. Participants also explore the idea of trapping energy waves and the implications of energy loss due to entropy.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that energy transfers occur frequently in everyday situations, such as heat transfer from a toaster to bread.
  • One participant argues that energy cannot be extracted as a quantity in the way suggested, emphasizing that energy exists in specific physical forms and is an abstract concept.
  • Another participant explains that thermodynamics indicates energy is required to move energy, and that energy loss due to entropy is a fundamental principle, illustrated by the operation of a reverse cycle air-conditioner.
  • There is a discussion about trapping energy, with one participant suggesting that kinetic energy from a rolling ball can be converted into elastic potential energy by compressing a spring, while noting that energy loss due to friction occurs.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of extracting and transferring energy as described. While some agree that energy transfer is possible, others contest the method proposed and emphasize the complexities involved, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of specifying the form of energy being discussed and acknowledge that energy transfer involves losses due to various factors, including entropy and friction.

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Hello -

I was hoping - without getting too technical (please keep everything as simple as possible! =) ) if it was possible for energy(electricity, whatever you wish to call it) to be transferred from one object or body to another (the same exact energy).

On a basic level I know that energy can be transferred, etc (Newton's Laws, etc) but I guess I am looking more at the idea of being able to extract energy from an object and put it into another object (almost like how you can pick up water from a tube with a syringe and put it into something else).

Also, is it possible to trap energy waves as they randomly move around (so if the ball was rolling down a hill could you literally trap the energy it created if it were to suddenly stop). Or is this just done by grounding??

I apologize if I should completely dumb, but I just thought I would ask the professionals!

thank you!
Julia =)
 
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You should try to be more specific as to what you have in mind. Energy transfers take place all the time. For example making toast - heat is transferred from the toaster to the bread.
 
In the real world energy does not come as a quantity that can be extracted in the way you suggest, but is always in a particular physical form such as heat, electric potential chemical potential, or lots of other forms.
The way the term is used, you'd easily think otherwise... but 'energy' is an abstract term.
So sorry, but no.
 
You really have to be specific about what form the energy is in. However thermodynamics will tell you that it takes energy to move energy around. This energy 'loss' is what entropy is all about.

The idea is sound though, as long as you don't mind loosing some energy to entropy. In fact, its the basic principle of the reverse cycle air-conditioner. Energy is used to pump a gas around a close cycle. The gas is expanded and cools, drawing in energy from its surroundings and then compressed elsewhere, releasing that energy. All you have to do is supply enough energy to keep the gas moving.

So to do what you're suggesting, you need to have a method which works for whatever type of energy you're working with.
 
CuriousJulia said:
Also, is it possible to trap energy waves as they randomly move around (so if the ball was rolling down a hill could you literally trap the energy it created if it were to suddenly stop). Or is this just done by grounding??

It has nothing to do with "waves", but you could do that thing in parentheses. Suppose a ball rolls downhill and hits into a spring, causing the spring to be compressed. Let the ball come to a stop against the spring. Quickly engage a mechanical latch to hold the spring in the compressed condition so that it doesn't bounce back. What used to be the kinetic energy of the ball is now elastic potential energy stored in the compressed spring. At the atomic level, that elastic potential energy is really the electrical potential energy of deformed atomic bonds. There will be some energy loss due to friction, which means some energy has been dissipated as heat.
 

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