General Relativity and the Circumference of a Circle

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The discussion revolves around calculating the circumference of a circle defined by a constant angle θ = θ0 within a specific spatial geometry described by a metric. Participants are exploring the implications of this geometry on the circumference and its representation in three-dimensional space.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss parameterizing the path to calculate the circumference and explore the relationship between the radius R and the angle θ0. There are attempts to understand how R varies with θ0 and the implications of this relationship on the geometry of the surface.

Discussion Status

Several participants have provided insights on the relationship between R and θ0, with some questioning the equality of different quantities related to the geometry. There is an ongoing exploration of how to express R in terms of θ0 and the potential shapes that arise from this relationship. No consensus has been reached, but productive lines of inquiry are being pursued.

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Participants are working within the constraints of a homework problem, which may limit the information available for discussion. There is an emphasis on understanding the geometric implications of the given equations without arriving at definitive solutions.

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Homework Statement


Calculate the circumference of the circle θ = θ0 (a constant) in the spatial geometry

\begin{eqnarray*}
dS^2 = a^2(d\theta^2 + sin^2\theta cos^2\theta d\phi^2)
\end{eqnarray*}
Hence, (by finding R(z)) sketch the cross section of the surface embedded in three dimensions via
\begin{eqnarray*}
(x, y, z) = (Rsin\theta cos\phi, Rsin\theta sin\phi, Rcos\theta)
\end{eqnarray*}

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The Attempt at a Solution


Calculating the circum:
Parameterising the path set φ = τ, where τ1 = 0 and τ2 =2π, and θ = θ0 (const.)
so
\begin{eqnarray*}
circumference = \int_{0}^{2\pi} \frac{dS}{d\tau}d\tau = \int_{0}^{2\pi} a((\frac{d\theta}{d\tau})^2 + sin^2\theta cos^2\theta (\frac{d\phi}{d\tau})^2)^{1/2} d\tau
\end{eqnarray*}
using the parametrisation we get:
\begin{eqnarray*}
circumference: \int_{0}^{2\pi} a sin\theta_0 cos\theta_0 d\tau = 2\pi a sin\theta_0 cos\theta_0 = \pi a sin2\theta_0
\end{eqnarray*}

I'm not at all sure what the next part is getting at. I've played around with rearranging z=Rcosθ and plugging this in for theta in metric but I don't think that's right.

Any help would be great appreciated, thank you!
 
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Does this help? Figure out how ##R## varies with ##\theta_0##.
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vela said:
Does this help? Figure out how ##R## varies with ##\theta_0##.
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Thank you for your reply!
I found the radius R to be R=aθ0 by parameterising the theta part this time and integrating up to θ0. And I think by using the z=Rcosθ definition we get that at θ=0 z=R, and at θ=θ0 z=Rcosθ0.

I may be wrong but I think the radius perpendicular = a/2 sin 2θ0 from dividing the circumference by 2π so there's a relation that
\begin{eqnarray*}
z^2 + r(perp)^2 = R^2
\end{eqnarray*}
I may be barking up the wrong tree here, thanks again!
 
Poirot said:
Thank you for your reply!
I found the radius R to be R=aθ0 by parameterising the theta part this time and integrating up to θ0. And I think by using the z=Rcosθ definition we get that at θ=0 z=R, and at θ=θ0 z=Rcosθ0.
##R## is the distance from the origin to a point on the surface whereas ##a\theta_0## is the arc length of between ##\theta=0## and ##\theta=\theta_0## on a curve of constant ##\varphi## on the surface. It doesn't make sense to set those two quantities equal.

I may be wrong but I think the radius perpendicular = a/2 sin 2θ0 from dividing the circumference by 2π so there's a relation that
\begin{eqnarray*}
z^2 + r(perp)^2 = R^2
\end{eqnarray*}
I may be barking up the wrong tree here, thanks again!
That's right. If you use ##z=R\cos\theta_0##, everything will be in terms of ##R## and ##\theta_0##, so you can get an expression for ##R## in terms of ##\theta_0##. Ideally, you'll recognize what shape it describes. If not, try plotting it or reviewing curves in polar coordinates.
 
vela said:
##R## is the distance from the origin to a point on the surface whereas ##a\theta_0## is the arc length of between ##\theta=0## and ##\theta=\theta_0## on a curve of constant ##\varphi## on the surface. It doesn't make sense to set those two quantities equal.That's right. If you use ##z=R\cos\theta_0##, everything will be in terms of ##R## and ##\theta_0##, so you can get an expression for ##R## in terms of ##\theta_0##. Ideally, you'll recognize what shape it describes. If not, try plotting it or reviewing curves in polar coordinates.
If I plug all the things in I get R = a cosθ0, but I'm not sure how this helps. I am probably wrong but I think it may be like an infinity shape on the z axis, similar to the spherical harmonics in atoms?
 
Yes, that's right. Did you make a polar plot of ##(R,\theta_0)##? You could also multiply both sides by ##R## and then convert to Cartesian coordinates to verify your hunch.
 

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