General solution to 2nd order....

In summary, the conversation discusses using undetermined coefficients to find a general solution to a differential equation with an exponential function as the non-homogeneous term. The expert suggests a method for finding the particular solution and confirms the solution obtained by the individual.
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rayne1
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I'm supposed to use undetermined coefficients to find a general solution to:
y" + 4y' +3y =4^(-t)

I can't find an example online where f(t) is equal to an exponential function that does not have e as the base, so I have no idea how to solve it.

So far, I found the general solution to the homogeneous equation which is:
y(t) = Ae^(-1t) + Be^(-3t).
 
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  • #2
rayne said:
I'm supposed to use undetermined coefficients to find a general solution to:
y" + 4y' +3y =4^(-t)

I can't find an example online where f(t) is equal to an exponential function that does not have e as the base, so I have no idea how to solve it.

So far, I found the general solution to the homogeneous equation which is:
y(t) = Ae^(-1t) + Be^(-3t).

When what you try for a particular solution appears in your homogeneous solution, multiply it by t. If that appears in it, multiply that by t, etc...

Here $\displaystyle \begin{align*} y = C\,t\,\mathrm{e}^{-t} \end{align*}$ should work.
 
  • #3
Prove It said:
When what you try for a particular solution appears in your homogeneous solution, multiply it by t. If that appears in it, multiply that by t, etc...

Here $\displaystyle \begin{align*} y = C\,t\,\mathrm{e}^{-t} \end{align*}$ should work.

I tried and it didn't work. Don't know if I made a mistake in differentiating but this is what I did:
y = Cte^(-t)
y' = Ce^(-t)-Cte^(-t)
y'' = -Ce^(-t)-Ce^(-t)-Cte^(-t)

When I plugged it back into the original equation, I got 0.

Edit: Oh, Is y" supposed to equal -Ce^(-t)-Ce^(-t)+Cte^(-t), instead?
 
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  • #4
Hint:

\(\displaystyle 4^{-t}=e^{-\ln(4)t}\)

So, can you show that the particular solution must be of the form:

\(\displaystyle y_p(t)=A\cdot4^{-t}\)?
 
  • #5
MarkFL said:
Hint:

\(\displaystyle 4^{-t}=e^{-\ln(4)t}\)

So, can you show that the particular solution must be of the form:

\(\displaystyle y_p(t)=A\cdot4^{-t}\)?

Not sure if correct, but I got:

yp(t) = 4^(-t)/(log^2(4)-4(log(4))+3)
 
  • #6
rayne said:
Not sure if correct, but I got:

yp(t) = 4^(-t)/(log^2(4)-4(log(4))+3)

Yes, that agrees with W|A. Good job! (Yes)
 
  • #7
rayne said:
I tried and it didn't work. Don't know if I made a mistake in differentiating but this is what I did:
y = Cte^(-t)
y' = Ce^(-t)-Cte^(-t)
y'' = -Ce^(-t)-Ce^(-t)-Cte^(-t)

When I plugged it back into the original equation, I got 0.

Edit: Oh, Is y" supposed to equal -Ce^(-t)-Ce^(-t)+Cte^(-t), instead?

Yes it should be $\displaystyle \begin{align*} y'' = -C\,\mathrm{e}^{-t} - C\,\mathrm{e}^{-t} + C\,t\,\mathrm{e}^{-t} = C\,t\,\mathrm{e}^{-t} - 2C\,\mathrm{e}^{-t} \end{align*}$...

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I apologise, for some reason I read the RHS of your DE as $\displaystyle \begin{align*} 4\mathrm{e}^{-t} \end{align*}$, not $\displaystyle \begin{align*} 4^{-t} \end{align*}$. Please disregard my other posts in this thread.
 

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