Generalised Quaternion Algebra over K - Dauns Section 1-5 no 17

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The discussion revolves around Exercise 17 from Dauns' book "Modules and Rings," which involves the construction of a generalized quaternion algebra over a ring K with specific multiplication rules. Participants explore the properties of this algebra, including associativity and the implications of K's center being a field.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Peter expresses confusion regarding the notation and the requirements of the exercise, seeking clarification on how to manipulate expressions involving symbols not in K.
  • Deveno suggests that the problem generalizes ordinary quaternions and emphasizes focusing on multiplicative associativity and distributive axioms.
  • Peter reflects on the definitions of operations from another source (Dummit and Foote) and considers how they apply to the generalized case.
  • Participants discuss the necessity of K's center being a field, with one noting its importance in proving that K[I, J] is a division ring rather than just an associative ring.
  • Another participant mentions that the commutativity of x and y is essential for proving the distributive law.
  • There is a suggestion that K[I, J] can be viewed as a quotient of a polynomial ring, which may aid in understanding its structure.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and approaches to the problem, with no consensus reached on the best method to manipulate the expressions or the implications of K's properties. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the clarity of certain steps in the proof.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the manipulation of elements in K[I, J] involves symbols not in K, which complicates the application of standard ring operations. The discussion highlights the need for careful consideration of the definitions and properties involved in the algebra.

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In Dauns book "Modules and Rings", Exercise 17 in Section 1-5 reads as follows: (see attachment)

Let K be any ring with 1 \in K whose center is a field and 0 \ne x, 0 \ne y \in center K any elements.

Let I, J, and IJ be symbols not in K.

Form the set K[I, J] = K + KI + KJ + KIJ of all K linear combinations of {1, I, J, IJ}.

Show that K[I,J] becomes an associative ring under the following multiplication rules:

I^2 = x, J^2 = y, IJ= -JI, cI = Ic, cJ = Jc, cIJ = IJc for all c \in K

(K[I, J] is called a generalised quaternion algebra over K)

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I am somewhat overwhelmed by this problem and its notation.

Can someone please help me get started?

Peter

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The basic idea is to generalize the concept of "ordinary" quaternions (where [math]K = \Bbb R[/math] and [math]x = y = -1[/math]) to a more abstract setting (for example, K might be a finite field, and I and J might be obtained from extension fields of K via quotients of K[x]).

K-linearity is going to give you the abelian group structure, so that's a non-issue. Multiplicative associativity and the distributive axioms of a ring are where you should concentrate your efforts.
 
Thanks Deveno

Will have another try at this problem this evening (AEST - Australian Eastern Standard Time)

Peter
 
Peter said:
Thanks Deveno

Will have another try at this problem this evening (AEST - Australian Eastern Standard Time)

Peter

I think I need more help ...

Initial thoughts are as follows:

K is a ring with 1. Center of ring K is a field

I, J and IJ are symbols not in K (?)

The set K[I, J] = K + KI + KJ = KIJ is the set of all K-linear combinations of {1, I , J, IJ}

So now let $$ a, b \in K$$ and let

$$ X = a + aI + aJ + aIJ \in K[I, J] $$

and

$$ Y = b + bI + bJ + bIJ \in K[I, J] $$

But if K[I, J] is an associative ring then we must have X+Y = Y + X

ie we need

$$ a + aI + aJ + aIJ + b + bI + bJ + bIJ = b + bI + bJ + bIJ + a + aI + aJ + aIJ $$

But ?

How do we manipulate these expressions ie how do we manipulate the the aI, bI, aJ, bJ, ... etc

We know how to manipulate field or ring elements but these are field elements 'times' symbols not in K

Can anyone clarify this situation for me

Peter
 
Peter said:
I think I need more help ...

Initial thoughts are as follows:

K is a ring with 1. Center of ring K is a field

I, J and IJ are symbols not in K (?)

The set K[I, J] = K + KI + KJ = KIJ is the set of all K-linear combinations of {1, I , J, IJ}

So now let $$ a, b \in K$$ and let

$$ X = a + aI + aJ + aIJ \in K[I, J] $$

and

$$ Y = b + bI + bJ + bIJ \in K[I, J] $$

But if K[I, J] is an associative ring then we must have X+Y = Y + X

ie we need

$$ a + aI + aJ + aIJ + b + bI + bJ + bIJ = b + bI + bJ + bIJ + a + aI + aJ + aIJ $$

But ?

How do we manipulate these expressions ie how do we manipulate the the aI, bI, aJ, bJ, ... etc

We know how to manipulate field or ring elements but these are field elements 'times' symbols not in K

Can anyone clarify this situation for me

Peter
Again, reflecting on this problem I went to Dummit and Foote Chapter 7 and checked their description of (real) Hamiltonian Quaternions on the bottom of page 224 and the top of page 225 (see attached). There they define the operations of addition and multiplication (along with some relations among i , j, and k for simplification)

If one accepts these definitions and applies the operations so defined to Dauns exercise where the elements a, b, c and so on belong not to the real numbers but to a general ring K.

The proof that K is an associative ring is not difficult but is tedious.

I have one problem left - in verifying K[I, J] was a ring I did not seem to use the fact that K's center is a field. Can someone please indicate to me where this is needed?

Peter
 
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To prove the distributive law, at some point you will need to use the fact that x and y commute.

The fact that Z(K) is a field (and not just a commutative ring) is used to show that K[I,J] is a division ring, and not merely an associative ring.

One can think of K[I,J] as being a quotient of a polynomial ring:

[math]K[I,J] = K[X,Y]/\langle X^2-x,Y^2-y,XY +YX\rangle[/math]

in other words we adjoin a root of [math]X^2 - x[/math] which we call I, and similarly for J, and ensure that I and J anti-commute.
 
Deveno said:
To prove the distributive law, at some point you will need to use the fact that x and y commute.

The fact that Z(K) is a field (and not just a commutative ring) is used to show that K[I,J] is a division ring, and not merely an associative ring.

One can think of K[I,J] as being a quotient of a polynomial ring:

[math]K[I,J] = K[X,Y]/\langle X^2-x,Y^2-y,XY +YX\rangle[/math]

in other words we adjoin a root of [math]X^2 - x[/math] which we call I, and similarly for J, and ensure that I and J anti-commute.

Thaanks Deveno

I will rework the distributive laws more carefully

Still reflecting over the other (very interesting) points you make ... Will do some work on these points

J Thanks again,

Peter
 

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