Generalised Quaternion Algebra over K - Dauns Section 1-5 no 19

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The discussion revolves around Exercise 19 from Section 1-5 of Dauns' book "Modules and Rings," which involves proving that the ring K[I, J] is isomorphic to a ring of 2x2 matrices. Participants explore the structure of K[I, J] and the implications of the isomorphism, addressing confusion regarding the mapping of elements.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Peter expresses confusion about the problem statement, specifically regarding the mapping of elements of the form r = a + bI + cJ + dIJ into another ring, noting that the isomorphism is only specified for elements of the form s = a + bJ.
  • Deveno suggests that K[I, J] is naturally isomorphic to K[I][J], providing a mapping for elements of the form a + bI + cJ + dIJ.
  • Peter acknowledges Deveno's clarification about the elements a and b being in K[I], indicating a shift in understanding.
  • Peter mentions having worked through a significant portion of the problem after Deveno's help and expresses satisfaction with his understanding.
  • Peter shares a check of the isomorphism property $$ \phi (x, y) = \phi (x) \phi (y) $$ for a specific element of the isomorphism, indicating progress in the exercise.
  • Peter reflects on the challenge posed by John Dauns' exercises and notes the unfortunate passing of John Dauns in 2009, expressing a sentiment of loss in the algebra community.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the initial confusion regarding the mapping of elements, but there is agreement on the isomorphism proposed by Deveno. The discussion remains exploratory, with some participants expressing satisfaction with their understanding while others continue to seek clarification.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of understanding and confusion regarding the problem statement and the isomorphism, indicating that assumptions about the mapping and structure of K[I, J] may not be fully resolved.

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In Dauns book "Modules and Rings", Exercise 19 in Section 1-5 reads as follows: (see attachment)

Let K be any ring with [FONT=MathJax_Main]1[FONT=MathJax_Main]∈[FONT=MathJax_Math]K whose center is a field and $$ 0 \ne x, 0 \ne y \in $$ center K are any elements.

Let I, J, and IJ be symbols not in K.

Form the set K[I, J] = K + KI + KJ + KIJ of all K linear combinations of {1, I, J, IJ}.

The following multiplication rules apply: (These also apply in my post re Ex 18!)

$$ I^2 = x, J^2 = y, IJ = -JI, cI = Ic, cIJ = JIc $$ for all $$ c \in K $$

Prove that the ring K[I, J] is isomorphic to a ring of $$ 2 \times 2 $$ matrices as follows:

$$ a + bJ \rightarrow \begin{pmatrix} a & by \\ \overline{b} & \overline{a} \end{pmatrix} $$ for all $$ a,b \in K $$

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I am not sure how to go about this ... indeed I am confused by the statement of the problem. My issue is the following:

Elements of K[I, J] are of the form r = a + bI + cJ + dIJ so we would expect an isomorphism of K[I, J] to specify how elements of this form are mapped into another ring, but we are only told how elements of the form s = a + bJ are mapped. ?

Can someone please clarify this issue and help me to get started on this exercise?

Peter
 
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K[I,J] is naturally isomorphic to K[J]:

a + bI + cJ + dIJ <--> (a+bI) + (c+dI)J
 
Deveno said:
K[I,J] is naturally isomorphic to K[J]:

a + bI + cJ + dIJ <--> (a+bI) + (c+dI)J


Thank you Deveno ... but still thinking

Mind you I (stupidly) missed the point that $$ a, b \in K $$ which your post has made me highly aware of - will go back to this now.

Peter
 
Peter said:
Thank you Deveno ... but still thinking

Mind you I (stupidly) missed the point that $$ a, b \in K $$ which your post has made me highly aware of - will go back to this now.

Peter


Based on Deveno's help I have now worked through a good deal of the problem ... and I am satisfied I now understand it ...

For members of MHB interested in this exercise, I have attached a check of the fact $$ \phi (x, y) = \phi (x) \phi (y) $$ 'works' for $$ {element}_{11} $$ of the isomorphism $$ \phi $$ ...

I must say that John Dauns' is not afraid to set his students at Tulane University a fair amount of symbol manipulation ... :)

Peter
 
Peter said:
Based on Deveno's help I have now worked through a good deal of the problem ... and I am satisfied I now understand it ...

For members of MHB interested in this exercise, I have attached a check of the fact $$ \phi (x, y) = \phi (x) \phi (y) $$ 'works' for $$ {element}_{11} $$ of the isomorphism $$ \phi $$ ...

I must say that John Dauns' is not afraid to set his students at Tulane University a fair amount of symbol manipulation ... :)

Peter

I just looked up Jon Dauns on the Internet and discovered that, very sadly, John Dauns passed away in 2009.

It is a sad loss to algebra ...

Peter
 

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