Centre of the real Hamilton Quaternions H

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical exercise of describing the center of the real Hamilton Quaternions H, as presented in a problem from Dummit and Foote. Participants explore the conditions under which elements of H commute with each other, focusing on the implications for the structure of the center.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes to investigate the conditions under which a quaternion of the form h = a + bi + cj + dk commutes with the quaternion i, leading to the conclusion that c = d = 0 for commutation.
  • Another participant confirms the initial findings and suggests that the commutation with j and k further restricts the form of quaternions in the center to a + 0i + 0j + 0k.
  • It is noted that if a quaternion q = a + bi + cj + dk is in the center Z(H), it must commute with i, which narrows down the possibilities for the center.
  • A later reply discusses the implications of the center being a field and the dimensionality considerations, suggesting that the center must consist of real quaternions only.
  • One participant reflects on the nature of the quaternions and their relationship to complex numbers, proposing that the center's structure is influenced by the non-commuting nature of i, j, and k.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the findings regarding the commutation properties of quaternions and the implications for the center of H, though the discussion includes varying levels of detail and interpretation regarding the nature of the center.

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Some assumptions regarding the properties of quaternions and their commutation relations are present, but not all steps in the argumentation are fully resolved or detailed.

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Can anyone help me with the following exercise from Dummit and Foote?

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Describe the centre of the real Hamilton Quaternions H.

Prove that {a + bi | a,b R} is a subring of H which is a field but is not contained in the centre of H.

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Regarding the problem of describing the centre - thoughts so far are as follows:

Let h = a + bi + cj + dk

Then investigate conditions for i and h to commute!

i \star h = i \star ( a + bi + cj + dk)
= ai + bi^2 + cij + dik
= ai - b + ck - dj

h \star i = ( a + bi + cj + dk) \star i
= ai + bi^2 + cji + dki
= ai - b -ck + dj

Thus i and h commute only if c = d = 0

Proceeding similarly we find that

j and h commute only if b = d = 0

and

k and h commute only if b = c = 0

Thus it seems as if I am being driven to the conclusion that the only Hamilton Quaternions that commute with every element of the ring of Hamilton Quaternions are elements of the form

a + 0i + 0j + 0k

But I am unsure of how to formally and validly argue from the facts established above to conclude this!

Can anyone help or at least confirm that I am on the right track!
 
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That is correct. What exactly is your problem?
 
you've proven that only quaternions of the form:

a + bi commute with i (this makes sense if you think about it, as neither j nor k commute with i).

well if q = a + bi + cj + dk is in Z(H), it has to commute with i, since i is a quaternion. so that alone narrows down the possibilities right there.

what you've done with j and k is fine, although you could also show that if a + bi commutes with j, then b = 0, and likewise for k.

this means that only real quaternions (b = c = d = 0) can possibly be in the center. it's not hard to show that all real quaternions are indeed central, which settles the matter.

EDIT: a little reflection should convince you that the center of the quaternions has to be a field. the only possibilities for the dimension (as a vector space over R) of this field is either 1 or 2 (if it was 2, it would have to be an isomorph of the complex numbers). the fact that i doesn't commute with j or k, effectively kills this possibility. it actually makes more sense to think of i,j and k being "3 identical copies of √-1", because there's no real way to tell them apart from one another. this is why H is sometimes viewed as "scalars+vectors", the "pure quaternion (non-real)" part, acts very much like a vector in R3, which was actually Hamilton's original goal-to find an "algebra" for 3-vectors.

the fact that Z(Q8), the center of the group of quaternion units, is equal to {-1,1} should reassure you that your conclusion is correct.
 
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Great!

Thanks so much for the help!
 

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