Generating modules and sub modules Blyth Theorem 2.3

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of Theorem 2.3 from T. S. Blyth's book on Module Theory, specifically focusing on the definition of linear combinations within the context of submodules. Participants are examining the implications of Blyth's statements regarding linear combinations and their representation as sums of elements from a union of submodules.

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  • Peter questions whether Blyth's definition of a linear combination should include scalar coefficients, suggesting that a linear combination of elements from the union of submodules should be expressed as a sum involving scalars.
  • One participant emphasizes that the finiteness of sums is crucial, noting that only finitely many coefficients are non-zero in any sum, which may justify Blyth's simplification.
  • Another participant clarifies that Blyth's intent was not to redefine linear combinations but to indicate that in the specific case of closed submodules, linear combinations can be expressed without explicitly showing the scalars.
  • Repetitive agreement on the need for clarity in Blyth's writing, with participants reiterating that the scalar multiplication does not change the nature of the elements within the submodules.

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Participants generally agree that Blyth's definition may lack clarity, but there is no consensus on whether his simplification is justified or if it misrepresents the concept of linear combinations.

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There are unresolved questions regarding the assumptions made about the closure properties of the submodules and the implications of dropping scalar coefficients in the context of linear combinations.

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I am reading T. S. Blyth's book: Module Theory: An Approach to Linear Algebra ...

I am focused on Chapter 2: Submodules; intersections and sums ... and need help with the proof of Theorem 2.3 ...

Theorem 2.3 reads as follows:
Blyth - Theorem 2.3 ... .png

In the above proof we read the following:

" ... ... A linear combination of elements of ##\bigcup_{ i \in I }## is precisely a sum of the form ##\sum_{ j \in J } m_j## for some ##J \in P(I)##. ... ... "But ... Blyth defines a linear combination as in the text below ...
Blyth - Defn of Linear Combination .png

So ... given the above definition wouldn't a linear combination of elements of ##\bigcup_{ i \in I } M_i## be a sum of the form ##\sum_{ j \in J } \lambda_j m_j## ... and not just ##\sum_{ j \in J } m_j## ... ... ?
Hope someone can help ...

Peter
 

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The essential point of all such definitions is the finiteness of sums. All coefficients, resp. summands up to finitely many have to be zero. It can be different sets ##J \in \mathbb{P}^*(I)## from case to case, but in any sum there are still only finitely many.

As to your question: Theorem ##2.3## starts: Let ##(M_i)_{i\in I}## be a family of ##R-##submodules of an module ##M##. But as submodules, ##\lambda m = m'## is basically the same, i.e. it isn't necessary to carry the ##\lambda## all along the road, if the statement only requires ##m'##. The more, as we additionally have to bother the index sets: ##m=\sum_{i\in J_1}\lambda_i m_i\; , \;m'=\sum_{j \in J_2}\lambda'_j m_j\; , \;m+m'=\sum_{k \in J_1\cup J_2}(\lambda_k m_k+\lambda'_km'_k)## where ##\lambda_k=0## for ##k\in J_2-J_1## and ##\lambda'_k=0## for ##k\in J_1-J_2## ... etc. I understand, that it makes sense to drop all this unnecessary stuff and write ##m+m'=\sum_{k=1}^nm_k##.

If we talk about linear combinations, the ##\lambda## are necessary, because they are what makes it linear. If we talk about elements of modules, then ##\lambda_k m_k=m'_k\in M_k## both carry the same information, namely being elements of ##M_k##.
 
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Just repeating what fresh said essentially. I.e. Blyth didn't make clear quite what he meant. He is not changing the definition of linear combination. He meant that in this special case, where all the families Mi are themselves closed under scalar multiplication, then every linear combination involving scalars can be rewritten as a finite sum not involving scalars. I.e. as Fresh said, he could have been more clear if he had said, ":since in our case, for every scalar cj and element mj of Mj, the product cjmj = m'j is just another element m'j of Mj, every linear combination can be rewritten as just a finite sum of elements of the submodules Mj."
 
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mathwonk said:
Just repeating what fresh said essentially. I.e. Blyth didn't make clear quite what he meant. He is not changing the definition of linear combination. He meant that in this special case, where all the families Mi are themselves closed under scalar multiplication, then every linear combination involving scalars can be rewritten as a finite sum not involving scalars. I.e. as Fresh said, he could have been more clear if he had said, ":since in our case, for every scalar cj and element mj of Mj, the product cjmj = m'j is just another element m'j of Mj, every linear combination can be rewritten as just a finite sum of elements of the submodules Mj."
Thanks to fresh_42 and mathwonk for clarifying this issue ...

Appreciate the help ...

Peter
 

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