Module Over a Division Ring - Blyth Theorem 1.1, Part 4

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The discussion revolves around a specific aspect of Theorem 1.1 part 4 from T. S. Blyth's book on module theory, particularly focusing on the implications of the equation ##\lambda x = 0_M## in the context of division rings. Participants are exploring the logical structure of the theorem and seeking clarification on the proof regarding the conditions under which ##\lambda## or ##x## must equal zero.

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Main Points Raised

  • Peter seeks help to prove that if ##\lambda x = 0_M## with ##x \neq 0_M##, then it must follow that ##\lambda = 0_R##.
  • Some participants suggest using the contrapositive approach to address the proof, although there is confusion about its application.
  • Fresh_42 provides a breakdown of the proof, indicating that if ##\lambda = 0_R##, then the condition is satisfied, and if ##\lambda \neq 0_R##, Blyth's proof applies.
  • Peter expresses uncertainty about the implications of the case where ##0_R x = 0_M## and how it relates to the original problem.
  • Further clarification is sought on how to progress from the contrapositive form of Blyth's statement.
  • Fresh_42 elaborates on the logical structure of the proof, emphasizing the relationship between the conditions and the implications of Blyth's theorem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the application of the contrapositive or the implications of the theorem. There are multiple viewpoints regarding the proof and its logical structure, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of the logical implications in Blyth's theorem and the participants' varying levels of understanding regarding the proof's structure. There are unresolved questions about the specific logical steps and assumptions involved.

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I am reading T. S. Blyth's book "Module Theory: An Approach to Linear Algebra" ... ... and am currently focussed on Chapter 1: Modules, Vector Spaces and Algebras ... ...

I need help with an aspect of Theorem 1.1 part 4 ...

Theorem 1.1 in Blyth reads as follows:
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In the above text, in part 4 of the Theorem we read:" ... ... when ##R## is a division ring

(4) ##\lambda x = 0_M## implies ##\lambda = 0_R## or ##x = 0_M## ... ... "Blyth proves that if ##R## is a division ring and ##\lambda x = 0_M## with ##\lambda \neq 0_R## then we have that ##x = 0_M## ... ...But ... ... Blyth does not show that if ##R## is a division ring and ##\lambda x = 0_M## with ##x \neq 0_M## then we have that ##\lambda = 0_R## ... ...Can someone please help me to prove this ...

Peter
 

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Contrapositive.
 
micromass said:
Contrapositive.

Sorry Micromass ... I do not follow you ...

Can you explain what you mean more explicitly ... ?

My apologies for not following you ...

Peter
 
Math Amateur said:
Hi Micromass ... I understand the meaning of "contrapositive" ... but fail to see exactly how it applies to the problem that I posed ...

Can you be more explicit in what you mean regarding the specific problem ...

Peter
 
Come on, think a bit about it. You answered merely 6 minutes after me. I'm not here to spoonfeed you the answer.
 
Proof of (4).
Case 1: ##\lambda = 0_R## ##\checkmark## by (2)
Case 2: ##\lambda \neq 0_R## - see Blyth's proof
 
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fresh_42 said:
Proof of (4).
Case 1: ##\lambda = 0_R## ##\checkmark## by (2)
Case 2: ##\lambda \neq 0_R## - see Blyth's proof
Well ... thanks fresh_42 ... that is an easy resolution to the issue ...

BUT ... still reflecting and wondering about Case 1 ...

... indeed ... does ##( 0_R x = 0_M )## ...

... imply (or mean) that ...

##( \lambda x = 0_M \text{ and } x \neq 0_M \Longrightarrow \lambda 0_R )##

is true ...But why exactly ... ?(Not quite sure why this logic bothers me ...)

Peter
 
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Thanks for th
Math Amateur said:
Well ... thanks fresh_42 ... that is an easy resolution to the issue ...

BUT ... still reflecting and wondering about Case 1 ...

... indeed ... does ##( 0_R x = 0_M )## ...

... imply (or mean) that ...

##( \lambda x = 0_M \text{ and } x \neq 0_M \Longrightarrow \lambda 0_R )##

is true ...But why exactly ... ?(Not quite sure why this logic bothers me ...)

Peter

micromass said:
Contrapositive.

micromass said:
Contrapositive.
Thanks for the hint, micromass ...

in (4) Blyth has shown the following:

##( \lambda x = 0_M \text{ and } \lambda \neq 0_R ) \longrightarrow (x = 0_M)## ... ... ... (1)

So ... contrapositive of (1) is as follows:

##\neg ( x = 0_M) \longrightarrow \neg ( \lambda x = 0_M \text{ and } \lambda \neq 0_R )##

But ... how do I progress from here ...

Can someone help further ...?

Peter
 
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We have ##\lambda x = 0_M## as a fact.
(2) is needed to show that ##\lambda = 0_R## is a solution at all.
Since there are only the two possibilities for ##\lambda## - either being zero or not - and the first solves the condition according to (2), it is sufficient to consider the other case, ##\lambda \neq 0_R##.

You may write the whole thing as:

##[\lambda x = 0_M] ##
##= \; (\lambda x = 0_M) \, ∧ \, \text{ (true) }##
##= \; (\lambda x = 0_M) \, ∧ \, [(\lambda = 0_R)\, ∨ \, (\lambda \neq 0_R)]##
##= \; [(\lambda x = 0_M) \, ∧ \, (\lambda = 0_R)] \, ∨ \, [(\lambda x = 0_M) \, ∧ \, (\lambda \neq 0_R)]##

→ (now I use (2), i.e. if ##\lambda = 0_R## is true then ##\lambda x = 0_M## is also true)

##= \; (\lambda = 0_R)\, ∨ \, [(\lambda x = 0_M) \, ∧ \, (\lambda \neq 0_R)]##

Therefore if ##(\lambda = 0_R) = \text{ (true) }## we are done and we may ask when ##[(\lambda x = 0_M) \, ∧ \, (\lambda \neq 0_R)]## will be true without ##(\lambda = 0_R)## being true, i.e. ##(\lambda \neq 0_R)##. Now Blyth has shown

$$[(\lambda x = 0_M) = \text{ (true) }] \,⇔\, [(\lambda = 0_R)=\text{ (true) }]\, ∨ \, [((\lambda x = 0_M) \, ∧ \, (\lambda \neq 0_R)) \,=\, \text{ (true) }]\, \overset{Blyth}⇒\, [(\lambda = 0_R)=\text{ (true) }]\, ∨ \, \; [(x=0_M) \,=\, \text{ (true) }]$$
 
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Thanks for that fresh_42 ... most helpful ...

Much appreciate your assistance ...

Peter
 

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