Geography Challenge (or: how Janitor spent his summer vacation)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a geography challenge initiated by a participant named Janitor, who shares digital pictures taken during a trip and invites others to guess their locations. The scope includes geographical identification and exploration of various sites, primarily within the western part of the lower 48 United States.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Janitor mentions the possibility of the pictures being taken anywhere in the world but suggests they are likely from accessible locations in the western U.S.
  • Participants express curiosity and anticipation about the images and their locations.
  • Some participants propose specific locations, such as the "Lost Turnpike of Pennsylvania" and the Grand Canyon, but these guesses are met with corrections or further questions.
  • There is discussion about the technical difficulties Janitor faces with image uploading, including size limitations.
  • Janitor describes a photograph taken from behind a safety rail and mentions a dusty area with looser soil, suggesting it may be difficult for others to guess the location accurately.
  • Participants speculate about the nature of the locations, with some suggesting volcanic craters and others discussing the geological features visible in the images.
  • Janitor confirms that one of the locations is the Thiokol plant in northern Utah, which is associated with the Space Shuttle's boosters.
  • There is a mention of historical significance related to one of the locations, hinting at connections to American history.
  • Participants discuss the presence of hazardous materials observed during Janitor's trip, raising questions about their uses and implications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the locations of the images, with multiple competing guesses and ongoing uncertainty about the correct answers. Some participants express confidence in their guesses, while others remain unsure or correct earlier claims.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved technical issues regarding image uploads, and participants rely on descriptions rather than visual confirmation. The discussion includes various assumptions about geographical features and historical contexts that remain unverified.

  • #31
BobG said:
They make Atlas and Delta rockets in Colorado.

That explains it ! You're a saver, BobG !
 
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  • #32
I will give BobG credit for picture #1, since it is in southeastern Utah, about midway between Grand Junction, Colorado and the Grand Canyon in Arizona. I took the picture from an overlook in Canyonlands National Park. They call this area "Island in the Sky." The river itself cannot be seen from where I was standing, just the gorge. The river flows left-to-right in the picture. Six miles downstream from here it is joined by the Green River, which starts in Wyoming.

I will provide answers on #3, 4, 5 in 24 hours.
 
  • #33
A description of the other three pictures-

3) Not too far from the so-called Extraterrestrial Highway in central Nevada is a volcanic field. I drove past some cinder cones on the dirt road going to the rim of Lunar Crater, which is where I was standing when I took this picture. I think Lunar Crater itself is called a maar crater by geologists, since it formed when magma rose to the level of a groundwater layer, flashed it into steam, and blew the ground cover away in a very brief amount of time. I was the only person around when I was there. Places near there are called Hot Creek and Warm Springs, so I suspect there is still some hot magma not too far down in this part of Nevada.

4) For California-bound emigrants in the mid 1800s to cross northern Nevada meant winding their way between mountain ranges through hundreds of miles of sagebrush desert. Nature was kind enough to provide a perennial stream for most of those miles--the Humboldt River. But like all good things, the Humboldt ended. In particular, its water sank into ground on a mud flat, the ‘Humboldt Sink,’ on which I was standing when I took picture #4, looking southwest over the Fortymile Desert. Many oxen gave their lives pulling wagons across this stretch of desert without water. [I was giving a tiny hint by saying “I would be surprised if anyone comes within 40 miles."]

5) A group of California emigrants known to history as ‘the Donner Party’ took an ill-advised “shortcut” through Utah, and paid dearly for it. They arrived near the crest of the Sierra Nevada too late in the traveling season, such that the snow was too deep to get over the top of what is now known as Donner Summit, beyond which it was downhill to the destination in northern California. They had to spend a very snowy winter on the east slope of the Sierra, and they split into three camps. One camp was at Alder Creek. I took this picture sitting on the boardwalk spanning the creek. The dark portion of the foreground of the picture is the water of the creek itself, a couple of feet wide, heading down the meadow grass toward the Truckee River. A sign merely said that archaeologists believe the precise campsite was “nearby.” I suppose they don’t want people poking around in the ground for artifacts. In the running for most loyal spouse ever has to be Tamsen Donner. She had a chance to leave with rescuers who came from the west late that winter. She sent her children to safety with them, but she herself stayed with her dying husband. When the next rescue team arrived, Tamsen and George were both dead. Some believed that Lewis Keseberg cannibalized them to fill his belly, but he always denied the charge.

If anyone is interested in a brief item about the site, see this:

http://www.missoulian.com/articles/2004/09/08/territory/territory01.prt


A lengthier telling of the story is at:

http://members.aol.com/DanMRosen/donner/
 
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  • #34
Very interesting, Janitor ! :biggrin:
 

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