Geometric and arithmetic means and contraction factor

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of the relativistic contraction factor in relation to the geometric and arithmetic means of the terms ##C+v## and ##C-v##. Participants explore the mathematical and physical implications of this relationship, questioning its relevance to the physical nature of the phenomenon.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the contraction factor can be expressed as the ratio of the geometric mean to the arithmetic mean of the terms ##C+v## and ##C-v##.
  • Others question the validity of this interpretation, suggesting that while it may be mathematically correct, it does not necessarily align with the physical understanding of the phenomenon.
  • One participant notes that knowing identities for ##\gamma## can be helpful in special relativity (SR) but expresses skepticism about the physical insight gained from interpreting the contraction factor in terms of means.
  • Another participant describes the relationship as potentially an "empty mathematical game," indicating a lack of correlation with the physical situation.
  • A later reply acknowledges that it might be a useful algebraic identity in certain contexts but does not extend beyond that.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express disagreement regarding the interpretation of the contraction factor as a ratio of means, with multiple competing views on its physical relevance and utility.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the distinction between mathematical identities and their physical interpretations, indicating that the discussion may be limited by differing perspectives on the relevance of mathematical formulations to physical phenomena.

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Geometric and arithmetic means and contraction factor
Is it correct to state that the relativistic contraction factor is the ratio of the geometric mean to the arithmetic mean of the terms ##C+v## and ##C-v##?
 
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Why do you think so?
 
Ibix said:
Why do you think so?
I think the following:
Although mathematically it coincides, interpreting the contraction factor as the quotient of two means may not fit the physical nature of the phenomenon.
 
south said:
I think the following:
Although mathematically it coincides, interpreting the contraction factor as the quotient of two means may not fit the physical nature of the phenomenon.
There's nothing wrong with stating it. If you end up doing algebra in SR knowing identities for ##\gamma## is often helpful. I don't see that it adds any physical insight though. More useful to know that ##\gamma =\cosh\psi##, where ##\psi## is the rapidity.
 
Ibix said:
There's nothing wrong with stating it. If you end up doing algebra in SR knowing identities for ##\gamma## is often helpful. I don't see that it adds any physical insight though. More useful to know that ##\gamma =\cosh\psi##, where ##\psi## is the rapidity.
I don't find any correlation with the physical situation in that statement about the means. It seems like an empty mathematical game to me.
 
Yes. It might be a useful algebraic identity in some situation, but that's all.
 
Ok, agree. Thank you very much.
 

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