Geometric Isomers in Alkenes & Alkynes: Why?

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The discussion centers around the existence of geometric isomers in alkenes compared to alkynes, exploring the reasons behind this difference in terms of molecular structure and bonding. The scope includes conceptual understanding of molecular geometry and bonding in organic chemistry.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why geometric isomers exist in alkenes but not in alkynes, suggesting that the presence of a double bond in alkenes and a triple bond in alkynes may play a role.
  • Another participant explains that while there is restricted rotation in alkynes due to the triple bond, this does not lead to different compounds as it does with the double bond in alkenes, which allows for distinct geometric arrangements.
  • A third participant adds that the linear shape of alkynes, with only two substituents, limits the possibility of forming geometric isomers, unlike alkenes which can have four distinct positions for different groups.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the reasons for the lack of geometric isomers in alkynes compared to alkenes, although the discussion reflects some nuances in understanding the implications of molecular geometry and bonding.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about molecular geometry and the nature of bonding in alkenes and alkynes are present, but not all details are fully explored or resolved in the discussion.

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Hi everyone... can anyone help me out? I am not sure if i am on the rigth track.

Why do geometric isomers exist in alkenes, but not in alkynes?

Does it have something to do with the that alkenes have a double bond and alkynes have a triple bond? Also the pi bond restricts the rotational movement of the molecule and locks the groups in place. But how does that change in alkynes? I understand why geometric isomers cannot exist in alkanes beacuse of the sima (single bond) but why can't they exist in the alkynes?

Any help is greatly appriciated... thanks
 
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There is restricted rotation with alkynes too, but rotation around the triple bond wouldn't form a different compound as it could with a double bond. Think about the shape of the molecules; alkynes are linear with two substituents, one on each end. Alkenes are not linear: there are four distinct positions where different groups can be. Switching the position of two of the groups at one end of an alkene can form a geometric isomer, but in an alkyne there aren't two distinct groups to switch!
 
alkynes have a triple bond which ristricts these of having 4 extra bonds (2 per C making the triple bond)which you should have when considering a geometric isotomer
 
Thanks a lot for clearing that up. It makes perfect sense now.

thanks
 

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