Geometric Issues with a line, a plane and a sphere...

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The discussion revolves around geometric relationships involving a line, a plane, and spheres, exploring concepts of division in space, the nature of infinity in geometry, and the implications of considering infinite radii. Participants examine whether a smaller sphere divides a larger sphere into distinct parts and the mathematical validity of treating lines as circles with infinite radii.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that a point divides a line into two parts and a line divides a plane into two parts, while questioning the implications of infinity in these statements.
  • There is a proposal that a smaller sphere could divide a larger sphere into parts, akin to layers of an onion, with some participants agreeing on the division of three-dimensional space into three volumes: inside the smaller sphere, the annulus between the spheres, and outside the larger sphere.
  • Concerns are raised about the mathematical sense of an infinite radius, with some participants arguing that a radius must be finite.
  • Some participants find the idea of a line as an infinite radius circle useful in certain applications, but note that it requires a deeper understanding of specific topics.
  • There is a discussion about the differences between two spheres of infinite radius, questioning their centers and radii, and how they relate to circles.
  • One participant suggests that the concept of a path connecting two parts without crossing a dividing line may challenge the necessity of considering infinity.
  • Another participant proposes that the idea of a line as an arc of a circle with infinite radius might be developed further under certain conditions.
  • References to stereographic projection and Möbius transformations are made, discussing how they relate circles and lines.
  • There is a mention of the possibility of equalizing the volumes of two concentric spheres, with one being solid and the other hollow.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the mathematical validity of infinite radii and the implications of dividing space with spheres. There is no clear consensus on these points, and multiple competing views remain throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some statements depend on definitions and assumptions about infinity and geometric properties, which remain unresolved. The discussion also touches on the relative positions of spheres, which could affect interpretations.

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I - A point divides a line into two parts;
II - A line divides a plane into two parts;
III - Does a smaller sphere divide a larger sphere into two parts, like layers of an onion?

Note that the first two statements, the question of infinity must be considered.

For the third statement, is the division of three-dimensional space into two parts correct?

IV - Could the straight line be an arc formed by a circle of infinite radius?
 
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dom_quixote said:
I - A point divides a line into two parts;
II - A line divides a plane into two parts;
Okay
dom_quixote said:
III - Does a smaller sphere divide a larger sphere into two parts, like layers of an onion?
Why not?
dom_quixote said:
For the third statement, is the division of three-dimensional space into two parts correct?
If I understand the idea, you have three parts: the volume inside the smaller sphere; the volume (annulus) between the spheres; the volume outside the larger sphere.
dom_quixote said:
IV - Could the straight line be an arc formed by a circle of infinite radius?
Infinite radius makes no sense mathematically. A radius is, by definition, a finite number.
 
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PeroK said:
Infinite radius makes no sense mathematically. A radius is, by definition, a finite number.

Thinking of a line as an infinite radius circle is actually kind of useful for some applications, but I think you need a much more technical understanding of certain topics than the OP question reflects.
 
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Office_Shredder said:
Thinking of a line as an infinite radius circle is actually kind of useful for some applications, but I think you need a much more technical understanding of certain topics than the OP question reflects.
If we take the x-axis as a sphere of infinite radius, then the line ##y = 1## must be another sphere of infinite radius. In what way are these two spheres different? Different centre? And/or different infinite radius?

In what way are they circles?
 
PeroK said:
If we take the x-axis as a sphere of infinite radius, then the line ##y = 1## must be another sphere of infinite radius. In what way are these two spheres different? Different centre? And/or different infinite radius?

In what way are they circles?
For example, stereographic projection sends circles to circles, except ones that pass through the pole become lines. Relatedly, mobius transformations send circles and lines to circles and lines.
 
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Office_Shredder said:
For example, stereographic projection sends circles to circles, except ones that pass through the pole become lines. Relatedly, mobius transformations send circles and lines to circles and lines.
You can map a circle to the half open interval ##[0,1)##, but that doesn't make the interval itself a circle.
 
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dom_quixote said:
I - A point divides a line into two parts;
II - A line divides a plane into two parts;
III - Does a smaller sphere divide a larger sphere into two parts, like layers of an onion?

Note that the first two statements, the question of infinity must be considered.
I'm not sure that I agree. If I say that I have a path that connects the two parts without crossing the dividing line, do I have to consider infinity to determine if that is correct?
dom_quixote said:
For the third statement, is the division of three-dimensional space into two parts correct?
Are the spheres concentric? Do you want to restrict their relative position?
dom_quixote said:
IV - Could the straight line be an arc formed by a circle of infinite radius?
You might be able to develop this idea. In the right situation, with the right development, it might make good sense.
 
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PeroK said:
You can map a circle to the half open interval ##[0,1)##, but that doesn't make the interval itself a circle.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalised_circle

If you can find me an equivalent version for circles and half intervals, I will concede the point!
 
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Yes, I imagined the problem with two concentric spheres. I think it is possible to equalize the volume of the two spheres, but one of them will be solid and the other will be hollow.
FactChecker said:
Are the spheres concentric? Do you want to restrict their relative position?
 

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