Geometrical meaning of derivatives

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The discussion revolves around the geometrical meaning of derivatives, particularly in the context of the function f(x) = x² and its derivative, 2x. Participants explore the implications of derivatives as slopes of tangents and their graphical representations, seeking to clarify the conceptual understanding of these mathematical constructs.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the meaning of the derivative 2x and its graphical representation.
  • Another participant explains that the slope of the tangent line at a point on the curve can be found using the derivative, providing a specific example with x=3.
  • A different participant cautions against expecting straightforward geometric relationships between a function and its derivative, suggesting that while there are qualitative relationships, they may not yield simple geometric insights.
  • One participant mentions that the derivative provides the "best linear approximation" of the function near a given point, emphasizing the utility of this concept in calculus.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and interpretation of the geometric meaning of derivatives. There is no consensus on a singular interpretation, and multiple perspectives on the relationship between a function and its derivative are presented.

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Some participants highlight the limitations of expecting clear geometric interpretations between a function and its derivative, suggesting that the relationship may be more qualitative than quantitative. Additionally, the discussion touches on the pointwise nature of derivatives and their definition as operations on functions.

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I don't understand what the derivatives really mean?I know that they are the slope of the tangents drawn to a function.But see for example we have a function f(x)=x2
The derivative of this gives us '2x'. But what does '2x' mean?If i draw a graph of f(x)=2x what does it give me?what should i understand from that graph?

please help
 
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Plot the curve [itex]y=f(x)[/itex] on the Cartesian plane. Now, pick a point [itex](x_0,f(x_0))[/itex] from the curve you plotted and draw the tangent to the curve at that point. The slope of the tangent line will be [itex]f'(x_0)[/itex]. As a solid example, take the function you provided, [itex]f(x)=x^2[/itex]. If you wanted to know the slope of the tangent line at [itex]x=3[/itex] for this curve, i.e the point [itex](3,9)[/itex], you would plug in [itex]x=3[/itex] to the derivative and get [itex]2\cdot 3 = 6[/itex]. This value is also the instantaneous rate of change of the function.
 
nil1996 said:
The derivative of this gives us '2x'. But what does '2x' mean?If i draw a graph of f(x)=2x what does it give me?what should i understand from that graph?

I don't think you shoud expect to see any simple geometric relationship between the graphs of fix) and its derivative. There are qualitative relationships, such as "when the derivative is positive at a point x, the function f(x) is increasing at that point", "when the derivative is zero at x, the function f(x) is instanteously flat, such as at a peak or valley".

You can do what Millenial suggests and interpret the graph of the derivative to get the slope of the tangent line at x and then go to the graph of f(x) and verify that this number is indeed the slope. But don't expect to see any straightforward geometric insight like "if I drawn a tangent to the function at x and extend the line till it hits the graph of the derivative and erect a perpendicular there and ...".

It's typical in math to use a "pointwise" operation to define a function by considering the point to be a variable. The derivative is defined as an operation that produces a number when carried out on the function f(x) at a given point x. But since we can vary x we can say this operation defines a function of x.

For example, for the function f(x) = x^2 we could define the pointwise operation at the point x by "take the average of f(x-1) and f(x+1)". Since this operation is defined at each point x, you could graph g(x) as a function. Graphing f(x) and g(x) on the same plot wouldn't necessarily reveal any pleasing geometric interpretation - although I haven't tried it.
 
The derivative allows you to find the "best linear approximation" of the function near a given point. In single variable calculus, if you graph a function and consider a specific point you will notice that the tangent line passing through that point (with slope given by the derivative of the function at that point) will approximate the graph for points sufficiently close to the original point. This is something you will see come up over and over, beyond single-variable calculus (except in higher dimensions and more abstract terms).
 

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