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The discussion revolves around a geometry problem involving a square and trapeziums, where participants are tasked with expressing a length in terms of a variable and finding its numerical value. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and problem-solving related to geometry and algebra.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant introduces the problem and requests help with expressing the length of FG in terms of x and finding the value of x.
  • Another participant suggests using the area formula for trapeziums to derive an equation involving FG and x.
  • Multiple participants confirm the correctness of the derived equation for FG and express it in terms of x as $$\overline{FG}=\frac{5x-1}{1+x}$$.
  • There is a discussion about the similarity of triangles BFG and BDC, leading to the conclusion that $$\overline{FG}=x$$ under certain assumptions.
  • One participant questions the assumption that BFD is a straight line, suggesting it may affect the deduction process.
  • Another participant states that without assuming BD is a diagonal, finding the value of x may not be possible.
  • Several participants report finding the numerical value of x, with one stating it as approximately 0.27.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the assumptions necessary for solving the problem, particularly regarding the straightness of line BFD. While some agree on the derived equations, the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these assumptions on the final answer.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions about the geometric configuration, particularly concerning the straightness of line BFD and its impact on the calculations. The discussion includes multiple derived expressions for FG and varying interpretations of the problem's conditions.

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In the figure, ABCD is a square of side 1 cm. ABFE and CDFG are trapeziums(/trapeziods?). The Area of CDFG is twice the Area of ABFE. Let x cm be the length of AE.

(a) Express the length of FG in terms of x.

(b) Find the value of x, correct to 2 decimal places.

Thanks! :D
 

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Hello and welcome to MHB, rtwikia! :D

We ask that our users post what they have tried so that we best know how to help, as we can then see where you are stuck or may be going wrong.

To answer part a), we could use the formula for the area of a trapezium/trapezoid and the information given about the areas of the two shaded areas. Using this formula:

$$A=\frac{h}{2}(B+b)$$

We may then write:

$$\frac{\overline{CG}}{2}(\overline{CD}+\overline{FG})=2\cdot\frac{\overline{AE}}{2}(\overline{AB}+\overline{EF})$$

Now, we know the following (all measures are in cm):

$$\overline{CG}=1-x$$

$$\overline{CD}=1$$

$$\overline{AE}=x$$

$$\overline{AB}=1$$

$$\overline{EF}=1-\overline{FG}$$

Can you now use all of this to write an equation involving only $$\overline{FG}$$ and $x$, for which you can then solve for $$\overline{FG}$$?
 
I got

$\frac{1-x}{2}\left(1+\overline{FG}\right)=x\left(2-\overline{FG}\right)$

Am I right? :D
 
rtwikia said:
I got

$\frac{1-x}{2}\left(1+\overline{FG}\right)=x\left(2-\overline{FG}\right)$

Am I right? :D

First, I just wanted to let you know I wrapped the $\LaTeX$ code you posted with $$$$ tags so it would be parsed as such.

Yes, your equation is correct. Now, you are asked to express $\overline{FG}$ in terms of $x$, so you need to solve that equation for $\overline{FG}$. :)
 
MarkFL said:
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Yes, your equation is correct. Now, you are asked to express $\overline{FG}$ in terms of $x$, so you need to solve that equation for $\overline{FG}$. :)

After simplification, I found that $\overline{FG}=\frac{5x-1}{1+x}$. Can it be simplified further or is this the final answer? (When I measure the picture it measures nearly excatly $x$ cm):confused:
 
rtwikia said:
After simplification, I found that $\overline{FG}=\frac{5x-1}{1+x}$. Can it be simplified further or is this the final answer? (When I measure the picture it measures nearly excatly $x$ cm):confused:

Excellent! I also obtained:

$$\overline{FG}=\frac{5x-1}{x+1}$$

Now, about your measurement...which will lead us to be able to answer part (b) of the exercise, we should be able to see that $$\triangle BFG$$ and $$\triangle BDC$$ are similar. This similarity allows us to write:

$$\frac{x}{\overline{FG}}=\frac{\overline{BC}}{\overline{DC}}$$

Now, since $\overline{BC}=\overline{DC}=1$, this leads us to conclude:

$$\overline{FG}=x$$

And then taking our previous result, we may then equate our two expressions, and write:

$$x=\frac{5x-1}{x+1}$$

This will lead to a quadratic, where we should discard any roots unless we find $0<x<1$. What do you find?
 
MarkFL said:
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Now, about your measurement...which will lead us to be able to answer part (b) of the exercise, we should be able to see that $$\triangle BFG$$ and $$\triangle BDC$$ are similar. This similarity allows us to write:

$$\frac{x}{\overline{FG}}=\frac{\overline{BC}}{\overline{DC}}$$

Now, since $\overline{BC}=\overline{DC}=1$, this leads us to conclude:

$$\overline{FG}=x$$

...

I've noted that it isn't given that $BFD$ is a straight line.:confused: Does it affect the deduction process?:confused:
 
rtwikia said:
I've noted that it isn't given that $BFD$ is a straight line.:confused: Does it affect the deduction process?:confused:

Without assuming $\overline{BD}$ is a diagonal of the square $ABCD$, I don't see how we can find the value of $x$. :)
 
MarkFL said:
Without assuming $\overline{BD}$ is a diagonal of the square $ABCD$, I don't see how we can find the value of $x$. :)

Okay then. And thanks by the way. I got the answer $0.27$ already.(Rock)
 
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rtwikia said:
Okay then. And thanks by the way. I got the answer $0.27$ already.(Rock)

Yes, I found $x=2-\sqrt{3}\approx0.27$ as well. :D
 

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