Getting particle/antiparticle solutions from the Dirac Equation

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of particle and antiparticle solutions from the Dirac equation, specifically focusing on the transition from the wave function representation to the conditions that arise from plugging solutions into the equation. Participants explore the mathematical steps involved in this process, referencing different texts such as Griffiths and Srednicki.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the derivation of the Dirac equation from the factorization of Einstein's energy relation using gamma matrices, referencing both Griffiths and Srednicki.
  • Another participant notes the linear independence of the exponential terms ##e^{ipx}## and ##e^{-ipx}## in the proposed solution.
  • Several participants express confusion about how to derive equation 37.28 from plugging the proposed solution into the Dirac equation, with one participant suggesting that different factors must be used for each solution.
  • A later reply clarifies that differentiating the exponential terms yields different signs, which is crucial for understanding the derivation.
  • Another participant highlights a difference in conventions between Griffiths and Srednicki regarding the notation for antiparticles.

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Participants generally agree on the mathematical framework and the importance of the linear independence of the solutions, but there is ongoing confusion and debate regarding the specific steps to derive equation 37.28 and the implications of the different conventions used in various texts.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the mathematical steps involved in transitioning from the wave function representation to the conditions required by the Dirac equation. There are unresolved questions about the implications of different conventions used in the literature.

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How to motivate positive and negative energy solutions as a superposition of two solutions?
Hi!

I am studying Dirac's equation and I already have understood the derivation. Following Griffiths, from factoring Einstein's energy relation with the gamma matrices:

##
(\gamma^\mu p_\mu + m)(\gamma^\mu p_\mu - m) = 0
##

You take any of the two factors, apply quantization and you arrive to Dirac's equation. Griffiths takes for example the second one:

##
(\gamma^\mu p_\mu - m) \varphi = 0
##

Comparing this with Srednicki's, they look the same just that he renames ## \gamma^\mu p_\mu = i\not\!\partial ##, inverts signs and arrives to this expression for Dirac's equation (equation 37.23):

##
(-i\not\!\partial + m) \varphi = 0
##

Now, Srednicki motivates finding two solutions (one with +E and one with -E) by showing that the wave function must obey the Klein-Gordon equation, so he proposes the solution as (eq 37.27):

##
\varphi (x) = u(\mathbf p) e^{ipx} + v(\mathbf p) e^{-ipx}
##

where u is the positive energy solution and v the negative energy solution.

So far, so good. Now, where I need help is understanding the next step. He says:
Plugging eq. (37.27) into the eq. (37.23) we get eq (37.28):
$$
(\not\!p + m)u(\mathbf p) e^{ipx} + (-\not\!p + m)v(\mathbf p) e^{-ipx} = 0
$$
Thus we require (37.29):
$$
(\not\! p + m)u(\mathbf p) = 0
\qquad
(-\not\!p + m)v(\mathbf p) = 0
$$
I don't understand why plugging eq. 37.27 into 37.23 yields equation 37.28. It looks like we are taking one different factor for each solution (that's why I introduced my question with Griffiths' derivation), but I don't understand the reasoning behind it.

Thanks!
 
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I do not go into detail but the formula seems to say ##e^{ipx}## and ##e^{-ipx}## are linear independent.
 
anuttarasammyak said:
I do not go into detail but the formula seems to say ##e^{ipx}## and ##e^{-ipx}## are linear independent.
Thanks for the reply! Yes, I think that's why 37.28 implies 37.29, but my question is more how to get to equation 37.28.
Following Srednicki, if you just plug 37.27 into 37.23, you get:

$$
\begin{align*}
(-\not\!p + m) ( u(\mathbf p) e^{ipx} + v(\mathbf p) e^{-ipx} ) &= 0 \\
(-\not\!p + m)u(\mathbf p) e^{ipx} + (-\not\!p + m)v(\mathbf p) e^{-ipx} &= 0
\end{align*}
$$

Which doesn't look like 37.28 as some signs are wrong. I was thinking about plugging 37.27 into the first equation in my post to get something like:
$$
\begin{align*}
(\not\!p + m)(\not\!p - m) \varphi &= 0 \\
(\not\!p + m)(\not\!p - m)u(\mathbf p) e^{ipx} + (\not\!p + m)(\not\!p - m)v(\mathbf p) e^{-ipx} &= 0
\end{align*}
$$
But then I don't know how I could get 37.28 from that.
 
peguerosdc said:
Thanks for the reply! Yes, I think that's why 37.28 implies 37.29, but my question is more how to get to equation 37.28.
Following Srednicki, if you just plug 37.27 into 37.23, you get:

$$
\begin{align*}
(-\not\!p + m) ( u(\mathbf p) e^{ipx} + v(\mathbf p) e^{-ipx} ) &= 0 \\
(-\not\!p + m)u(\mathbf p) e^{ipx} + (-\not\!p + m)v(\mathbf p) e^{-ipx} &= 0
\end{align*}
$$

Which doesn't look like 37.28 as some signs are wrong. I was thinking about plugging 37.27 into the first equation in my post to get something like:
$$
\begin{align*}
(\not\!p + m)(\not\!p - m) \varphi &= 0 \\
(\not\!p + m)(\not\!p - m)u(\mathbf p) e^{ipx} + (\not\!p + m)(\not\!p - m)v(\mathbf p) e^{-ipx} &= 0
\end{align*}
$$
But then I don't know how I could get 37.28 from that.
As per the book, you must get a different factor when you differentiate ##e^{ipx}## and ##e^{-ipx}##. One must have a factor of ##-1## compared to the other.
 
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PeroK said:
As per the book, you must get a different factor when you differentiate ##e^{ipx}## and ##e^{-ipx}##. One must have a factor of ##-1## compared to the other.
Oh, right! I knew this was most likely a dumb question. Thanks!
 
peguerosdc said:
Oh, right! I knew this was most likely a dumb question. Thanks!
Let's look at this anyway. We are looking for ##\varphi(x)## to satisfy:
$$(-i \not\!\partial + m)\varphi(x) = (-i \gamma^{\mu}\partial_{\mu}+m)\varphi(x) = (-i \gamma^{\mu}\frac{\partial}{\partial x^{\mu}}+m)\varphi(x) = 0$$ where
$$\varphi(x) = u(p)e^{ipx} + v(p)^{-ipx} = u(p)e^{ip_{\nu}x^{\nu}} + v(p)e^{-ip_{\nu}x^{\nu}}$$
Note that this is a different convention from Griffiths with ##u(p)## for antiparticles. In any case:
$$\frac{\partial}{\partial x^{\mu}}e^{ip_{\nu}x^{\nu}} = ip_{\mu}e^{ip_{\nu}x^{\nu}}= ip_{\mu}e^{ipx} \ \ \text{and} \ \ \frac{\partial}{\partial x^{\mu}}e^{-ip_{\nu}x^{\nu}} = -ip_{\mu}e^{-ip_{\nu}x^{\nu}} = -ip_{\mu}e^{-ipx}$$
So that:
$$(-i \not\!\partial + m)\varphi(x) = -i\gamma^{\mu}u(p) (ip_{\mu}e^{ipx}) -i\gamma^{\mu}v(p)(-ip_{\mu}e^{-ipx}) + mu(p)e^{ipx} + mv(p)e^{-ipx}$$ $$ = (\gamma^{\mu}p_{\mu}+ m)u(p)e^{ipx} + (-\gamma^{\mu}p_{\mu}+ m)v(p)e^{-ipx}$$
Setting this to zero and using the linear independence of ##e^{ipx}, e^{-ipx}## gives:
$$(\gamma^{\mu}p_{\mu}+ m)u(p) = 0 \ \ \text{and} \ \ (-\gamma^{\mu}p_{\mu}+ m)v(p) = 0$$
 
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PeroK said:
Note that this is a different convention from Griffiths with ##u(p)## for antiparticles.
Yeah, I almost missed that and actually I think that's the convention followed in every book, so it's worth noting it for future readers that check this thread.

Thank you for showing the full derivation! Definitely helpful.
 
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