Getting Started with Free Modal Analysis in ANSYS

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of free-free modal analysis in ANSYS, specifically addressing whether constraints are necessary for such analyses and how to identify modes with zero frequency. Participants explore the implications of free-free conditions in dynamic analysis and seek clarification on the methodology for analyzing structures like a box with wheels.

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Main Points Raised

  • Shankar questions whether constraints are needed for free-free modal analysis in ANSYS and expresses confusion about identifying the first six modes with zero frequency.
  • One participant defines "free-free" as a condition where nothing is holding the structure and suggests a connection to rotordynamic analysis, mentioning challenges with complex geometries.
  • Another participant agrees that free-free conditions imply six rigid body modes with nearly zero frequency but seeks clarification on how to find these modes in ANSYS.
  • A different participant expresses uncertainty about the performance of free-free modal analysis for a box-like structure with wheels, questioning whether the analysis should be constrained or unconstrained given the wheels are not fixed to the ground.
  • One participant elaborates that "free-free" can refer to various types of dynamic analyses beyond rotordynamics and mentions the utility of correlating free-free vibration models with test data to accurately determine mass and stiffness properties.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit uncertainty regarding the necessity of constraints in free-free modal analysis and how to identify modes with zero frequency. There are competing views on the implications of free-free conditions and their application to different structural analyses, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express limitations in their understanding of the performance of free-free modal analysis in specific scenarios, such as analyzing structures with wheels. There is also a lack of consensus on the methodology for identifying rigid body modes in ANSYS.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in modal analysis, particularly those using ANSYS for dynamic analysis of structures, may find this discussion relevant.

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Hi all,

If we do free free modal analysis in ANSYS shall we need constrain the model or not? Where can I see the first 6 modes which have frequency equal to zero. I am confused can anybody please help?


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Shankar
 
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What does free-free mean? Means nothings holding it right?

Also, by this terminology I assume that you're trying some sort of rotordynamic analysis? If so, I have a rather long post somewhere on here about how to do it. It's not quite as easy for complex geometries as you might think (i.e. you cannot use axisymmetric elements).
 
Sir, you are rirht but how can we find modes in ANSYS without holding. As a rigid body we have 6-modes fequency almost null, is that right?

where can we see these modes (rigid modes)?
 
Hi,
I am not sure about the performance of free-free modal analysis in ANSYS.
If I wanted to get the natural frequencies of a box-like structure with four wheels (at each corner of the bottom surface) by means of FE-analysis, should it be performed as constrained or unconstrained ?
Indeed, the wheels are not bounded to the ground, so please, could you help me?
Thank you very much
 
minger said:
What does free-free mean? Means nothings holding it right?
Right.
Also, by this terminology I assume that you're trying some sort of rotordynamic analysis?
"Free-free" is used to describe any type of dynamic analysis, not just rotordynamics. It is often useful to correlate a free-free vibration model with test data (for example supporting the structure on very flexible springs or bungee ropes) to get the mass and striffness properties of the model correct, independent of figuring out how to model the constraints.

There are also some mathematical techniques for using free-free models constructed entirely from measured data, to combine them with models of other components (either measured or FE) models, constrain them in different ways, etc.
 

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