Getting two different values for f(0)

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of the function ##f(t) = \int_0^{\infty} \frac{-\sin (tx) x}{x^2+1}~ dx##, specifically focusing on the value of ##f(0)##. Participants explore different manipulations of the integral that lead to conflicting results for ##f(0)##, raising questions about the validity of these approaches and the behavior of the integrals involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that ##f(0) = 0## based on the initial evaluation of the integral.
  • Others manipulate the integral to derive a different expression, leading to the conclusion that ##f(0) = -\frac{\pi}{2}##.
  • A participant questions the assumption that ##\int_0^{\infty} \frac{-\sin(tx)}{x} ~ dx = -\frac{\pi}{2}## when ##t=0##, noting that ##\sin(0x) = 0##.
  • Another participant agrees with the previous point and highlights the discontinuity of the integrals at ##t=0##, suggesting both integrals evaluate to zero at that point.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the value of ##f(0)##, with some supporting the value of zero and others supporting ##-\frac{\pi}{2}##. The discussion remains unresolved as participants explore the implications of their differing evaluations.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted discontinuity in the integrals at ##t=0##, and the assumptions made in the manipulations may depend on the treatment of limits and the behavior of the sine function at that point.

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Let ##\displaystyle f(t) = \int_0^{\infty} \frac{-\sin (tx) x}{x^2+1}~ dx##. It seems clear that ##f(0) = 0##.

Now, I will do some manipulations to get a different expression: ##\displaystyle f(t) = \int_0^{\infty} \frac{-\sin (tx) x}{x^2+1}~ dx = \int_0^{\infty} \frac{-\sin (tx) x^2}{(x^2+1)x}~ dx = \int_0^{\infty} \frac{-\sin (tx) (x^2+1) + \sin (tx)}{(x^2+1)x}~ dx = \int_0^{\infty} \frac{- \sin(tx)}{x} ~ dx + \int_0^{\infty} \frac{\sin (tx)}{(x^2+1)x}~ dx = -\frac{\pi}{2} + \int_0^{\infty} \frac{\sin (tx)}{(x^2+1)x}~ dx##. So here, we see that ##f(0) = - \frac{\pi}{2}##.

What am I doing wrong? Why am I getting two different values?
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:
Let ##\displaystyle f(t) = \int_0^{\infty} \frac{-\sin (tx) x}{x^2+1}~ dx##. It seems clear that ##f(0) = 0##.

Now, I will do some manipulations to get a different expression: ##\displaystyle f(t) = \int_0^{\infty} \frac{-\sin (tx) x}{x^2+1}~ dx = \int_0^{\infty} \frac{-\sin (tx) x^2}{(x^2+1)x}~ dx = \int_0^{\infty} \frac{-\sin (tx) (x^2+1) + \sin (tx)}{(x^2+1)x}~ dx = \int_0^{\infty} \frac{- \sin(tx)}{x} ~ dx + \int_0^{\infty} \frac{\sin (tx)}{(x^2+1)x}~ dx = -\frac{\pi}{2} + \int_0^{\infty} \frac{\sin (tx)}{(x^2+1)x}~ dx##. So here, we see that ##f(0) = - \frac{\pi}{2}##.

What am I doing wrong? Why am I getting two different values?
You assume that ##\int_0^{\infty} \frac{- \sin(tx)}{x} ~ dx = -\frac{\pi}{2}## when ##t=0##. But ##\sin(0x) = 0##.
 
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tnich said:
You assume that ##\int_0^{\infty} \frac{- \sin(tx)}{x} ~ dx = -\frac{\pi}{2}## when ##t=0##. But ##\sin(0x) = 0##.
I agree, especially considering the first line of the original post. How are the two different?
 
\int_0^{\infty}\frac{sin(tx)}{x}dx\ and\ \int_0^{\infty}\frac{sin(tx)}{(x^2+1)x}dx are both discontinuous at t=0, and are both =0 at that point.
 

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