The discussion revolves around the remake of "Ghost in the Shell" (GITS), focusing on the balance between action and philosophical exploration in the film. Participants express their views on the film's fidelity to the original anime and its thematic depth, as well as comparisons to other works like "Robocop" and "The Matrix." The scope includes opinions on cinematic adaptations, thematic elements, and personal expectations.
Participants exhibit a range of opinions, with no consensus on whether the remake successfully balances action and philosophy or faithfully represents the original. Disagreements persist regarding the film's quality and its comparison to other works.
Some participants reference external forums for additional critiques, indicating a broader conversation about the film's reception. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of thematic depth and cinematic quality, which may depend on personal experiences with the original material.
Is there more than three people on Earth who would be surprised by that?Bandersnatch said:The complaint I saw on another forum was that it's a generic knockoff of Robocop more than a faithful remake of GitS.
I just hope Whollyweird doesn't screw things up too badly. Or that they screw things up epically badly. Either/or.Bandersnatch said:Well, you know. One always hopes for some ghost in the shells one gets.
Bandersnatch said:The complaint I saw on another forum was that it's a generic knockoff of Robocop more than a faithful remake of GitS.
Here, I'll quote the bit:Drakkith said:I haven't seen the original, but I certainly didn't think of this as a Robocop knockoff.
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=163047.msg7412453#new said:GITS 2017:
- Cyberpunk dystopia ruled by Hanka Robotics
- Major has body replaced by robotics
- Suffers lost memories, identity crises and questions her humanity
- Sympathetic sidekick in her workplace helps her overcome these
- Ordered destroyed by the people who created her once she gets too close to the corporate conspiracy, goes rogue
- The corporation that created Major ends up being the villains, and the CEO is the ultimate bad guy killed off at the end of the film
- Film ends with Major returning to her work at Section 9 once Hanka Robotics is cleaned out
GITS 1995:
- Cyberpunk dystopia littered with advertising but not necessarily dominated by anyone factor
- Major is curious about her robotic/electronic nature, rather than distressed about losing her natural body. To paraphrase: "A certain voice, a certain face, seeing a certain hand when you wake up, these things are all me, but not only these. Information and a network I'm connected to. These things all define me, but at the same time they also impose certain limitations."
- Sympathetic sidekick doesn't really understand her plight, but goes along anyway
- Government organization's AI gone rogue turns out to have caused the plot. Major chases him down alone to answer her questions about the possibilities of cybernetic life
- Film ends with Major, presumed dead, disappearing into the city at night with her new companion/symbiote
Robocop 1987:
- Cyberpunk dystopia ruled by a corporation
- Murphy has body replaced by robotics
- Suffers lost memories, identity crises and questions his humanity
- Sympathetic sidekick on the force helps him overcome these
- Ordered destroyed once he gets too close to the corporate conspiracy, goes rogue
- OCP ends up being the villain and the CEO is the final bad guy taken out
- Film ends with Murphy returning to the police force once OCP is cleared out
Bandersnatch said:Here, I'll quote the bit:
Have you ever known Whollyweird to mess anything up?EnumaElish said:I have found GITS the anime movie to have more "atmosphere" and philosophical weight than the entire Matrix movie franchise that is loosely based on/inspired by GITS. My blood turned cold during the dialog-free motorboat sequence with the Japanese folk song soundtrack:
Would be interesting to see if the remake has any of that soul.