Give Me Some Perspective: Size of Universe?

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The discussion revolves around the scale and size of the universe, including comparisons of celestial bodies such as planets and stars. Participants seek to understand the observable universe, the number of stars and galaxies, and the relative sizes of various astronomical entities.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express difficulty in grasping the scale of the universe and request basic facts regarding its size, the number of stars, and galaxies.
  • One participant distinguishes between the "observable universe," which has a defined size, and "the universe," which may be finite and unbounded or infinite.
  • Another participant provides estimates for the observable universe's radius (approximately 45 billion light years), the number of stars (10^22-10^24), and the number of galaxies (200 billion to 1 trillion).
  • Discussion includes comparisons of sizes, noting that Earth is about 1/10 the radius of Jupiter, and that the Sun is an average-sized star with much larger supergiant stars existing.
  • Some participants share quotes and metaphors to illustrate the vastness of space, suggesting that it is difficult for humans to comprehend such distances.
  • One participant mentions the Planck length, contrasting it with the vastness of the universe, and highlights the challenge of visualizing these scales.
  • Another participant emphasizes the incomprehensibility of distances, using the example of the closest star being 4.2 light years away, equating it to 24.7 trillion miles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the vastness of the universe and the challenges in comprehending its scale, but there are multiple competing views regarding the definitions and implications of "universe" versus "observable universe." The discussion remains unresolved on some specific points, particularly regarding the implications of these vast distances.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the ambiguity in the use of "universe" versus "observable universe," and the difficulty in conceptualizing large distances and sizes, which may depend on individual interpretations and understanding of astronomical scales.

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I still can't quite grasp the scale and size of our universe. Can you guys give the basic facts?

Size of universe?
Number of stars?
Number of galaxies?
Size of our own planet/sun in comparison to others in existence?

Thanks very much! :approve:
 
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There are many videos available on youtube about the size of the universe. Here's one:



Its appropriate to mention the Blake poem here:

To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And a Heaven in a Wild Flower,
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour.

-- Wm Blake (1757-1827) from "Auguries of Innocence"
 
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kyphysics said:
Size of our own planet/sun in comparison to others in existence?
 
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kyphysics said:
I still can't quite grasp the scale and size of our universe. Can you

Just keep in mind that there are two ways "universe" is used. First, the observable universe, which has a defined finite and bounded size and second "the universe" which is everything including all that is outside the observable universe and has no defined size ... might be finite and unbounded or might be infinite.

Sometimes you'll see "universe" used when "observable universe" is what is meant, to it's a good idea to be careful about usage.
 
Or, as Douglas Adams puts it:

"Space," it says, "is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mindbogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space,
 
The universe is much, much larger than necessary. It's all just an incredible waste of space.
 
kyphysics said:
I still can't quite grasp the scale and size of our universe. Can you guys give the basic facts?

Size of universe?
Number of stars?
Number of galaxies?
Size of our own planet/sun in comparison to others in existence?

Thanks very much! :approve:

1) Observable universe is roughly 45 billion light years in proper radius.

2) Roughly 10^22-10^24 stars in the observable universe.

3) Roughly 200 billion to 1 trillion galaxies in the observable universe.

4) Our planet is roughly 1/10 the radius of Jupiter, meaning 1000 Earths will fit in Jupiter. Again Jupiter is roughly 1/10 the radius of the Sun, meaning 1000 Jupiters will fit in the Sun, or 1,000,000 Earths will fit in the Sun. The Sun is roughly an average sized star, there are very many smaller stars and some far larger stars.

The largest stars out there are probably about 60-200 times more massive than the Sun. However, for stars not on the main sequence, the giant stars can develop a very large envelope of gas indeed (kind of like a huge atmosphere). The super giant stars, made up of high mass stars who have turned giant, can be up to roughly 200-1,000 times larger in radius than the Sun.

But one should note that much of this size is a diffuse (quite diffuse) atmosphere.
 
Bill_K said:
The universe is much, much larger than necessary. It's all just an incredible waste of space.

Just wait. Somebody will come along shortly, complaining that the universe isn't big enough.
 
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The vastness of the universe is trivial compared to the smallness of the Planck length. The midpoint between the two is about 7 nanometers - roughly the middle of the x ray spectrum.
 
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Chronos said:
The vastness of the universe is trivial compared to the smallness of the Planck length. The midpoint between the two is about 7 nanometers - roughly the middle of the x ray spectrum.

Another good visualization...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_length#Visualization
 
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There is no video or image out there that can put into context just how unimaginably large the observable universe is. Our brains are simply not wired to comprehend the distance or size of these objects. Here is a taster though.

It takes light about 8 and a half minutes to travel from the sun to earth. 8 and a half minutes at 186,000miles per second, now that is a pretty long distance right? Now "try" to wrap your head around this. The closest star to our own is 4.2light years away. 4.2years at 186,000miles every single second, or to put it in numbers that you still won't understand, 24.7trillion miles.

24.7trillion miles or 4.2light years and we are barely left the doorstep. If you were to compare this to a distance on Earth, you'd be about half an inch ouside your door with the rest of the world still to be explored.

There may be some physicists out there who can actually grasp just how far 24.7trillion miles is but for the most part, it's a meaningless number, anything further is even more meaningless.
 

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