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The discussion revolves around a plane wave characterized by the electric field component Ex and magnetic field component By, propagating in the positive z-direction. The original poster is tasked with showing that the scalar potential ϕ can be taken as zero and finding a vector potential A that satisfies the Lorentz gauge condition.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss combining equations related to electric and magnetic fields to explore the implications of setting the scalar potential to zero. There are questions about how to demonstrate this condition and the relationship between the potentials and Maxwell's equations. Some participants express uncertainty about the integration process and the uniqueness of the vector potential.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants sharing their thoughts on the implications of their calculations and the need to verify that all of Maxwell's equations are satisfied. Some have made progress in deriving expressions for the vector and magnetic potentials, while others are checking their work and clarifying notation.

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Participants note the importance of ensuring that the chosen potentials satisfy all relevant equations, including the Lorentz gauge condition. There are mentions of potential integration constants and their implications for the solutions derived.

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Homework Statement



Given a plane wave characterized by Ex , By , propagating in the positive z-direction,

[itex]E[/itex] [itex]=[/itex] [itex]E[/itex][itex]0[/itex][itex]sin[/itex][[itex]\frac{2\pi}{\lambda}[/itex][itex](z-ct)[/itex]][itex]\widehat{x}[/itex]

show that it is possible to take scalar potential ϕ = 0 . Find a possible
vector potential A for which the Lorentz gauge is satisfied.

Homework Equations



i)[itex]E[/itex]= [itex]-∇[/itex][itex]\varphi[/itex]

ii)[itex]∇E[/itex] = [itex]\frac{\rho}{ε}[/itex]

iii)[itex]B[/itex] = [itex]∇×A[/itex]

iv)[itex]∇A[/itex] = [itex]\frac{-1}{c^2}[/itex][itex]\frac{\delta\varphi}{\delta t}[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution



So basically I am thinking combining the above first two equations which results in the laplace operator but I am not sure how this ties into phi equating to 0. Then there is equation 4 the Lorenz gauge and I assume values of A and phi are plugged into see if it balances. But its the first step i am not sure on. How to show the scalar potential can be zero..

[itex]-∇^2[/itex][itex]\varphi[/itex] = [itex]\frac{-\rho}{\epsilon}[/itex]
 
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zhillyz said:

Homework Statement



Given a plane wave characterized by Ex , By , propagating in the positive z-direction,

[itex]E[/itex] [itex]=[/itex] [itex]E[/itex][itex]0[/itex][itex]sin[/itex][[itex]\frac{2\pi}{\lambda}[/itex][itex](z-ct)[/itex]][itex]\widehat{x}[/itex]

show that it is possible to take scalar potential ϕ = 0 . Find a possible
vector potential A for which the Lorentz gauge is satisfied.

Homework Equations



i)[itex]E[/itex]= [itex]-∇[/itex][itex]\varphi[/itex]

ii)[itex]∇E[/itex] = [itex]\frac{\rho}{ε}[/itex]

iii)[itex]B[/itex] = [itex]∇×A[/itex]

iv)[itex]∇A[/itex] = [itex]\frac{-1}{c^2}[/itex][itex]\frac{\delta\varphi}{\delta t}[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution



So basically I am thinking combining the above first two equations which results in the laplace operator but I am not sure how this ties into phi equating to 0. Then there is equation 4 the Lorenz gauge and I assume values of A and phi are plugged into see if it balances. But its the first step i am not sure on. How to show the scalar potential can be zero..

[itex]-∇^2[/itex][itex]\varphi[/itex] = [itex]\frac{-\rho}{\epsilon}[/itex]

For any vector potential and scalar potential combination to be valid, the resulting fields must simultaneously satisfy all of Maxwell's equations, so I would say that the other 2 Maxwell's equations would also be "relevant equations" for this problem. :wink:

Also, the divergence of a field [itex]\mathbf{E}[/itex] is usually written as [itex]\mathbf{\nabla} \cdot \mathbf{E}[/itex], not [itex]\mathbf{\nabla}\mathbf{E}[/itex] (which is how one writes the gradient of a vector field, which is a 2nd rank tensor).

Now, in general you have [itex]\mathbf{E}= -\mathbf{ \nabla } \varPhi -\frac{ \partial \mathbf{A} }{ \partial t}[/itex] (this should also have been listed as a relevant equation :wink:). What do you get for [itex]\mathbf{A}[/itex] when you choose [itex]\varPhi = 0[/itex]? Does it satisfy the Lorentz Gauge? Does the resulting [itex]\mathbf{B}[/itex]-field, together with the given [itex]\mathbf{E}[/itex]-field satisfy all of Maxwell's equations?
 
Yeah I knew the correct way to write divergence but couldn't see the middle dot symbol anywhere haha :) thanks.

Okay that makes sense, there are a list of four maxwell equations that can be manipulated and I need to make sure all are satisfied when I pick values of A and phi. The question states that I have to do this with phi equating to zero.

Sooo plug chug and see what happens? Finishing with my equation 'iv)'?

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[itex]E[/itex] = [itex]E[/itex]0[itex]sin[/itex][[itex]\frac{2π}{λ}[/itex][itex](z−ct)]xˆ[/itex]

[itex]E = -∇\Phi -\frac{\delta A}{\delta t}[/itex] NB. Set '[itex]\Phi[/itex]' = 0 so;

[itex]E = -\frac{\delta A}{\delta t}[/itex] and then

[itex]-∫E.\delta t = A[/itex] and then

[itex]B = ∇×A, ∇.B = 0 = ∇.(∇×A)[/itex] which will test if B is correct and finally both values into Lorenz gauge to equal 0?
 
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If my understanding is correct then after I have took the negative integral of E and then found the curl of it I get a cosine function in the y-axis as I would expect but the following divergence of this function would give me a scalar function instead of the zero I am looking for?

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Never mind no it doesn't haha. I think I have solved it. Thank you.
 
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zhillyz said:
Yeah I knew the correct way to write divergence but couldn't see the middle dot symbol anywhere haha :) thanks.

No problem, the [itex]\LaTeX[/itex] code for it is just "\cdot". And for the partial derivative symbol, it is "\partial".

[itex]E = -\frac{\delta A}{\delta t}[/itex] and then

[itex]-∫E.\delta t = A[/itex] and then

[itex]B = ∇×A, ∇.B = 0 = ∇.(∇×A)[/itex] which will test if B is correct and finally both values into Lorenz gauge to equal 0?

Not quite sure what [itex]-∫E.\delta t = A[/itex] means (how does one integrate with respect to a partial differential?), don't you mean [itex]\mathbf{A} = -\int \mathbf{E} dt[/itex]?

Other than that it looks like you've probably done everything correctly (you didn't actually post what you got for [itex]\mathbf{A}[/itex] or [itex]\mathbf{B}[/itex], so I can't be 100% sure). Just 2 things that you should keep in mind:

(1) Make sure you check all 4 of Maxwell's equations - you made no mention of checking the curl and divergence of [itex]\mathbf{E}[/itex]

(2) Is your choice of [itex]\mathbf{A}[/itex] unique? What about the "constant" of integration, are there restrictions placed on it by Maxwell's equations or the Lorentz gauge condition?
 
Thank you for the correct Latex code and I did indeed mean [itex]A = - ∫Edt[/itex].

For [itex]A[/itex] I got [itex]\frac{\lambda}{2\pi}[/itex][itex]E[/itex][itex]0[/itex][itex]cos[\frac{2\pi}{\lambda}(z-ct)]\widehat{x}[/itex]

For [itex]B[/itex] I got [itex]-E[/itex][itex]0[/itex][itex]sin[\frac{2\pi}{\lambda}(z-ct)]\widehat{y}[/itex]

And thank you for all your help I shall check all of Maxwell's equations and integration constants.

Kind Regards Hilly
 
zhillyz said:
Thank you for the correct Latex code and I did indeed mean [itex]A = - ∫Edt[/itex].

For [itex]A[/itex] I got [itex]\frac{\lambda}{2\pi}[/itex][itex]E[/itex][itex]0[/itex][itex]cos[\frac{2\pi}{\lambda}(z-ct)]\widehat{x}[/itex]

For [itex]B[/itex] I got [itex]-E[/itex][itex]0[/itex][itex]sin[\frac{2\pi}{\lambda}(z-ct)]\widehat{y}[/itex]

You are missing a factor of [itex]\frac{1}{c}[/itex], and you'll want to recheck the sign of B.

And thank you for all your help I shall check all of Maxwell's equations and integration constants.

You're welcome! And remember the integration "constant" is not just a scalar in this case, and can depend on position (just not time).
 
I am in desperate need of a warning before posting :), the factor of [itex]\frac{1}{c}[/itex] I do have in my answer, I merely forgot it in this post :)whoops!

And double checking the sign of [itex]B[/itex] I came to the same negative sine hmm.. Am I going wrong somewhere?

The operator [itex]∇×A[/itex] ends up as equating to [itex]\frac{\partial{Ax}}{\partial{z}}[/itex]..

1)everything before the cosine has no variable z so is treated as constant
2)the function inside cosine is [itex]\frac{2z\pi}{\lambda} - \frac{2ct\pi}{\lambda}[/itex]
3)so second part has no z and first part has derivative [itex]\frac{2\pi}{\lambda}[/itex]
4)cosine changes to negative sine?
 
zhillyz said:
And double checking the sign of [itex]B[/itex] I came to the same negative sine hmm.. Am I going wrong somewhere?

Sorry, I meant A (and subsequently B)
 
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Right you are, :) thank you again.
 

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